You Couldn't Make This Up

BVA wrote:Meat and dairy products are leading contributors to Green House Gas (GHG) emissions (6) and other environmental impacts and emphasis should be on reduction 2 of meat (red and processed meat in particular) and processed meat products (PMP)
in line with the Eatwell Guide (EWG) (7) and replaced with appropriate plant based proteins such as beans and pulses, and plant based dairy alternatives. The EWG support increased fruit and vegetable intakes, more wholegrain carbohydrates and reduced saturated fat, sugar and salt intakes. 

https://www.bda.uk.com/improvinghealth/healthprofessionals/policy_statement_sustainable_food.pdf

chris c wrote:I couldn't really discern what was the point behind his most recent ranting.

chris c wrote:I was just reading more of their rantings on Twitter. I noticed that "health" was seldom mentioned, and I downloaded this

https://diabetes-resources-production.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/resources-s3/2018-03/1373_Nutrition%20guidelines_0.pdf

but at 114 pages I didn't get around to reading it yet.

Long birder wrote:

chris c wrote:I was just reading more of their rantings on Twitter. I noticed that "health" was seldom mentioned, and I downloaded this

https://diabetes-resources-production.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/resources-s3/2018-03/1373_Nutrition%20guidelines_0.pdf

but at 114 pages I didn't get around to reading it yet.

Hi Chris,

Part 4.2.1 does mention low carb diets as a strategy that is being assessed and will be reported in 2020.

It adds the rider that long term they MAY be harmful. No proof though.
A doctor on Hyper aldosterone forum told me the other day that low carb diets are fatal long term. Perhaps we should tell Graham!
Derek

graham64 wrote:

Long birder wrote:

chris c wrote:I was just reading more of their rantings on Twitter. I noticed that "health" was seldom mentioned, and I downloaded this

https://diabetes-resources-production.s3.eu-west-1.amazonaws.com/resources-s3/2018-03/1373_Nutrition%20guidelines_0.pdf

but at 114 pages I didn't get around to reading it yet.

Hi Chris,

Part 4.2.1 does mention low carb diets as a strategy that is being assessed and will be reported in 2020.

It adds the rider that long term they MAY be harmful. No proof though.
A doctor on Hyper aldosterone forum told me the other day that low carb diets are fatal long term. Perhaps we should tell Graham!
Derek

Of course they've no proof that low carb may be harmful seeing as no studies beyond two years have been done but hopefully virta will eventually show consistent proof in the longer term. We are dismissed as anecdotal but I've yet to see any evidence of low fat high carb diets having shown good outcomes for diabetics not even anecdotes

Another take on low carb 

Part 6.2.2.1

Fatal in the long term   the doctor must have evidence from a long term study of LC Derek or perhaps he is just another that confuses ketosis with ketoacidosis or he could be a vegan 

chris c wrote:OK I read through it, one thing I noticed was the emphasis on Type 2 being "caused" by obesity and "cured" by weight loss. Not word one about MODY or the other genetic variants, or us skinny Type 2s.

Of course low carb diets are fatal in the long term, just like all other diets. I have already written my epitaph

"See! We told him fifteen years ago that dangerous low carb diet would kill him!"

I can't prove it of course but if I'd carried on eating my low fat diet I wouldn't be here now, and in the meantime I would have become much fatter, on several lucrative drugs, and with fewer than the average number of limbs. That will be the reason for my premature death but will never be blamed.

Strangely while watching a recent movie about the Kray Twins I found myself thinking they should be played by Duane Mellor and Paul McArdle.

graham64 wrote:Meanwhile another lucrative number for a dietitian 

https://twitter.com/DrCarrieRuxton/status/986696193244848130

chris c wrote:Not sure whether Nicola Guess is slowly coming around. Maybe they will capture her and send her for regrooving.

Remember that study Cashin was always on about that was going to prove once and for all the dangers of low carb. It never got published, presumably they came up with the wrong results.

Then there's this

A carbohydrate-reduced high-protein diet acutely decreases postprandial and
diurnal glucose excursions in type 2 diabetes patients

http://sci-hub.hk/10.1017/S0007114518000521

Expect to see this ripped to shreds.

graham64 wrote:

I do remember the study think it was Exeter uni not sure on that though, it was funded by DUK after a provisional six month study showed benefits from low carb they commissioned a two year study which was completed but never published DUK said the results were inconclusive   

chris c wrote:They are falling over themselves to find ways to discredit Virta. One excuse is that there was no control group. Er, how about all the diabetics that follow low fat diets, that's a pretty massive control group.

Long birder wrote:One thing really mystifies me is how Ancell Keys lived to be 100 years old?

I used to work with a fell runner who was an MBE and won the Grasmere sports fell race on a number of occasions. He was a real Cumbrian card and always said about the long lived, " The devil never hurries those he's sure of!"
D.