Bonkers Back to his Barking Best !

Eddie wrote:Meanwhile over at the forum of flog the Bonkers one gets more confused by the day. Today he is having a rant against information from low carbers on blogs and forums. Evidently we should only listen to accredited experts. These are the experts that preside over the lamentable state of diabetes care in the UK I presume. Anyway check out the screen shot and link.

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/daily-mirror-does-it-again.83134/page-2#post-934671

Now, you may be thinking, hang on a minute, is this the same bloke that was telling all the other week at the flog, he lost a shed load of weight, reduced his insulin resistance, and dumped injecting insulin by err...a strict low carb diet. Clearly the lad has gone completely berso. It was low carbers that put the dullard straight. Right now, I am thinking the Bonkers one is in need of some psychiatric help, and swiftly.

Sid wrote:Not off the internet thats for sure, generally they get these experts from among professionals in the medical and scientific professions, of course we are all able to choose whether to believe medical and scientific experts or diet gurus and lchf bloggers.

chris c wrote:Carbs are profitable. Real Food isn't.

Sid is a clueless muppet, that's a given. He's not the only one on the thread though, or elsewhere. I've been banging my head on the desk at some of the outpourings of Stephan Guyenet, obesity researcher, since he went pro. He's reverted to the dogma that eating too much (fat) makes you fat, which causes insulin resistance, which causes diabetes, and his current "cure" is to eat bland food so you eat less of it.

I guess everyone here, plus a load of researchers, have a picture that it's insulin resistance that drives obesity and/or diabetes, depending on which way your genes divert it, and that dropping IR by reducing carbs returns BG, BP and lipids (and many other disease factors) to or in the direction of normal.

Otherwise you have to find a convincing explanation for the 10 - 20% of non-obese diabetics, and the 80% of obese nondiabetics, some of which aren't even IR. The actual picture is far more complex than a simple dogma. Even Guyenet admits that low carbing "may" help people whose metabolism is broken, which is more than most doctors and dieticians will accept.

I smell Big Money and psychological manipulations becoming ascendant again.

Your right - it's all about the money and whats more profitable natural food or processed? Was in tescos today - bag of there won 'basic' peanuts 5.9g carbs per 100g. Bag of sweet chilli flavour peanuts (own brand) 38.4g carbs per 100 WTF!

That tescos was in london - home is saga central on the south coast. What is encouraging (mildly) is the amount of adverts for low carb breakfasts that are popping up - i say mildly as it is the usual full fry without the beans an fried toast for more moneythan a normal full fry (cockney W"""""s) excuse my french.

Anyhow to cut a long story short. My local Tescos is in Folkestone - home of the Gurkhas. The families shop there. If they have come over from Nepal recently there trolley is full of meat, veg, salads, (fruit - wow contreversial I know) but bear with me. If they have been here a few years and it's late so perhaps someone can correct me to express this but they have the above trolley plus coke and crisps etc etc then they've got a fat kid with them (in the context that fat kids can call other fat kids fat, Jews can make anti semantic jokes, racial on racial, sexual pref on pref and age in age) tough luck fatties and gingers.

Right just twadlling on now. Good night don't let the dawn phenomenon bed bugs bite.

Meanwhile I'm happy like most of you to eat my high fat low carb diet, and the tastier the better as it leaves me satiated for longer and improves pretty much all my symptoms and all my test results.

I feel sorry for the people who are never given that opportunity.

Eddie wrote:Are you saying Bonkers et al are profitable to the flog and that is why so many low carbers have been banned, thread locked and edited. Is it all down to money, or hoped for money in the future?

chris c wrote:Carbs are profitable. Real Food isn't.

Sid is a clueless muppet, that's a given. He's not the only one on the thread though, or elsewhere. I've been banging my head on the desk at some of the outpourings of Stephan Guyenet, obesity researcher, since he went pro. He's reverted to the dogma that eating too much (fat) makes you fat, which causes insulin resistance, which causes diabetes, and his current "cure" is to eat bland food so you eat less of it.

I guess everyone here, plus a load of researchers, have a picture that it's insulin resistance that drives obesity and/or diabetes, depending on which way your genes divert it, and that dropping IR by reducing carbs returns BG, BP and lipids (and many other disease factors) to or in the direction of normal.

Otherwise you have to find a convincing explanation for the 10 - 20% of non-obese diabetics, and the 80% of obese nondiabetics, some of which aren't even IR. The actual picture is far more complex than a simple dogma. Even Guyenet admits that low carbing "may" help people whose metabolism is broken, which is more than most doctors and dieticians will accept.

I smell Big Money and psychological manipulations becoming ascendant again.

Your right - it's all about the money and whats more profitable natural food or processed? Was in tescos today - bag of there won 'basic' peanuts 5.9g carbs per 100g. Bag of sweet chilli flavour peanuts (own brand) 38.4g carbs per 100 WTF!

That tescos was in london - home is saga central on the south coast. What is encouraging (mildly) is the amount of adverts for low carb breakfasts that are popping up - i say mildly as it is the usual full fry without the beans an fried toast for more moneythan a normal full fry (cockney W"""""s) excuse my french.

Anyhow to cut a long story short. My local Tescos is in Folkestone - home of the Gurkhas. The families shop there. If they have come over from Nepal recently there trolley is full of meat, veg, salads, (fruit - wow contreversial I know) but bear with me. If they have been here a few years and it's late so perhaps someone can correct me to express this but they have the above trolley plus coke and crisps etc etc then they've got a fat kid with them (in the context that fat kids can call other fat kids fat, Jews can make anti semantic jokes, racial on racial, sexual pref on pref and age in age) tough luck fatties and gingers.

Right just twadlling on now. Good night don't let the dawn phenomenon bed bugs bite.

Meanwhile I'm happy like most of you to eat my high fat low carb diet, and the tastier the better as it leaves me satiated for longer and improves pretty much all my symptoms and all my test results.

I feel sorry for the people who are never given that opportunity.

Baruney wrote:

Anyhow to cut a long story short. My local Tescos is in Folkestone - home of the Gurkhas. The families shop there. If they have come over from Nepal recently there trolley is full of meat, veg, salads, (fruit - wow contreversial I know) but bear with me. If they have been here a few years and it's late so perhaps someone can correct me to express this but they have the above trolley plus coke and crisps etc etc then they've got a fat kid with them (in the context that fat kids can call other fat kids fat, Jews can make anti semantic jokes, racial on racial, sexual pref on pref and age in age) tough luck fatties and gingers.

chris c wrote:

Baruney wrote:

Anyhow to cut a long story short. My local Tescos is in Folkestone - home of the Gurkhas. The families shop there. If they have come over from Nepal recently there trolley is full of meat, veg, salads, (fruit - wow contreversial I know) but bear with me. If they have been here a few years and it's late so perhaps someone can correct me to express this but they have the above trolley plus coke and crisps etc etc then they've got a fat kid with them (in the context that fat kids can call other fat kids fat, Jews can make anti semantic jokes, racial on racial, sexual pref on pref and age in age) tough luck fatties and gingers.

You are allowed to say fat, nay encouraged to do so, wasn't that Gove or Lansley or one of the other tossers who thought doctors should stop using terminology like obese or overweight.

So sad for the kids.

chris c wrote:Oh yes I failed to mention the buttered oatcake with my repast, and even more the glass of Chilean Carmenere which was soooo nice I had a second one. Can you tell?

Baruney wrote:
Nope your avatar looks pretty much as it always has - so not sure if that's one or two glasses.

Sid Stonkers wrote:

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/what-if-you-body-cant-take-a-lot-of-fat.96879/page-2#post-1089991

Sid Stonkers wrote:

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/what-if-you-body-cant-take-a-lot-of-fat.96879/page-2#post-1089991

mo1905 wrote:

Brunneria wrote:Sorry guys, but if this forum turns into a snipe fest about anything, even other forums, then you will drive me (and probably a lot of other people) away.

It would be a pity if that happened.

We don't want to drive anyone away but we also think it's important to be able to post, within reason, your thoughts. If anyone gets out of hand, the mods will step in. There has been nothing nasty said, it's a bit of good humoured banter but there is a serious note there. If you look through the "other" thread, you'll understand. The posts are very negative and bordering on taunting. Better to let off a little steam here as a one off than to start ranting on the other forum.