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    Post by Eddie Fri Jan 01 2016, 15:33

    I try to keep away from the forum of flog these days, most of the highly knowledgeable have long gone, but checking in today gave me a chuckle. Maybe Osidge went a bit mad on the piss booze last night. Is that bloke still a mod? His name is in green but does not say mod, he is listed as a type two diabetic.

    Osidge the forum of flogs drug marketing expert.  Pistings
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    Post by Paul1976 Fri Jan 01 2016, 15:41

    "Pistings" LOL It's just like fishing-Bait the hook with a slur on statin drugs and watch him bite! rofl
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    Post by Eddie Fri Jan 01 2016, 15:50

    Paul1976 wrote:"Pistings" LOL It's just like fishing-Bait the hook with a slur on statin drugs and watch him bite! rofl

    Agreed, if that guy is not a drug shill, I'll eat a donut.  affraid  Seriously, the bloke is going increasingly batshit. Hence why I asked if he is still a mod. The flog should get Phoenix to become a mod, then the joint will have a full deck of idiots on the mods team. Looks like one of my New Years resolutions have gone down the crapper faster than usual. rofl
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    Post by Eddie Fri Jan 01 2016, 17:16

    " It is untrue that virtually all research for diabetes is funded by big pharma. What made you think that it was?" Osidge

    Bear in mind they are talking about statins and big pharma. The fact is almost all statin trials have been conducted by big pharma or money supplied by big pharma. In the UK the statin info king is Sir Rory Collins. He loves statins, could it have anything to do with the fact his outfit has received over £200 million from big pharma? The same goes for diabetes drug research and trials.

    No-doubt the thread will rumble on until Osidge or one of his cronies locks it. Looks like the New Year at the flog will be the same as last year. Much misinformation from a small handful of antis and flog management lap dogs. It will ever be thus.


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    Post by Paul1976 Fri Jan 01 2016, 17:28

    Methinks a raw nerve has been touched on Osidge's part! I give the thread less than 24 hours 'til it goes up in a puff of smoke!
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    Post by Paul1976 Fri Jan 01 2016, 18:58

    Not just statins either it would seem...I thought folks weren't allowed to give out such advice on the flog? bitenails

    "You may want to consider some of the newer diabetes medications such as exenatide, liraglutide or dapagliflozin, especially if you are overweight. Combined with metformin they can produce good results."



    http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/advice-needed-please.51164#post-463158
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    Post by chris c Fri Jan 01 2016, 21:02

    I better not tell you the picture that "pisting" conjured up
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    Post by chris c Fri Jan 01 2016, 21:09

    Paul1976 wrote:Not just statins either it would seem...I thought folks weren't allowed to give out such advice on the flog?  bitenails

    "You may want to consider some of the newer diabetes medications such as exenatide, liraglutide or dapagliflozin, especially if you are overweight. Combined with metformin they can produce good results."



    http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/advice-needed-please.51164#post-463158
    IMO Daibell is the only one writing sense, this looks VERY much like LADA in which case insulin is the only treatment, and the sooner the better as the pancreas continues to collapse. Over time I've seen far too many cases of Type 1 which were misdiagnosed due to the belief that it doesn't occur in adults.

    c-peptide would be a good plan, also the GAD-65, but these are generally not used by nurses of the clueless variety, which the above patient appears to have.
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    Post by graham64 Fri Jan 01 2016, 21:24

    Paul1976 wrote:Not just statins either it would seem...I thought folks weren't allowed to give out such advice on the flog?  bitenails

    "You may want to consider some of the newer diabetes medications such as exenatide, liraglutide or dapagliflozin, especially if you are overweight. Combined with metformin they can produce good results."



    http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/advice-needed-please.51164#post-463158

    He has always pushed drugs see the following posts about Byetta

    [0]=17302]http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/search/5801785/?q=byetta&o=date&c[user][0]=17302

    That with the blatant sales pitch for statins makes me wonder if he has a connection to Big Pharma, if so he should declare his conflicts of interest  Rolling Eyes

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    Post by graham64 Fri Jan 01 2016, 21:49

    Eddie wrote:" It is untrue that virtually all research for diabetes is funded by big pharma. What made you think that it was?" Osidge

    Bear in mind they are talking about statins and big pharma. The fact is almost all statin trials have been conducted by big pharma or money supplied by big pharma. In the UK the statin info king is Sir Rory Collins. He loves statins, could it have anything to do with the fact his outfit has received over £200 million from big pharma? The same goes for diabetes drug research and trials.

    No-doubt the thread will rumble on until Osidge or one of his cronies locks it. Looks like the New Year at the flog will be the same as last year. Much misinformation from a small handful of antis and flog management lap dogs. It will ever be thus.



    One study Osidge linked to was The Anglo-Scandinavian Cardiac Outcomes Trial lipid lowering arm 

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18175773

    And who was one of the authors Sir Rory Statin Collins of course, read what Malcolm Kendrick had to say about Collins 

    http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2015/02/16/a-humiliating-climb-down-or-a-machiavellian-move/
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    Post by graham64 Sat Jan 02 2016, 23:44

    Just had a glance through the statin poll thread and it's obviously been hijacked by Osidge with getting on to forty pro statin posts mostly in the last couple of days, for the members that would have led to an intervention from the mods resulting in the offender being cherubed.  Evil or Very Mad

    Is Osidge receiving an incentive £££ from Big Pharma it would appear so, we do know from past history he has been involved in drug trials and has been one the first to be prescribed new to the market diabetic medications.
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    Post by Eddie Sun Jan 03 2016, 17:56

    I see Osidge aka 'the drug rep' is still working overtime flogging statins. If memory serves he has been a long time guinea pig for big pharma drugs trials. It never ceases to amaze me how a man will shovel any drug down his neck, but has a thombie when you mention whole fresh foods from the farm or the sea. Err..like that trial has been going on for around 3 million years. Eat the food our ancestors evolved on, not junk from big pharma or crap called food from a petro-chem plant.

    The rep has been on statins for donkeys years, no wonder the bloke is going batshit. affraid That being said, maybe he is on the 'shiny white teeth's' payroll and drumming up some interest for the forum of flog for big pharma as seen here.

    "One of the ways the website makes money is by charging to put organisations such as pharmaceutical companies doing medical trials in touch with forum members who have diabetes."

    Link to the Ratner moment here.

    http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/gps-give-medical-advice-havent-9766465
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    Post by graham64 Sun Jan 03 2016, 22:24

    Osidge recently cited this paper by the Cholesterol Treatment Trialists' (CTT) Collaboration

    Efficacy and safety of more intensive lowering of LDL cholesterol: a meta-analysis of data from 170 000 participants in 26 randomised trials

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2988224/

    The following is some excerpts from a critique of the CTT paper


    Meta-analysis of clinical trials by the pharmaceutical industry unravels on re-analysis

    The rationale for the new guidelines was a Cochrane review published in 2013 [4], which radically overturned its previous 2011 review of statins for the primary prevention of CVD [5] that was consistent with the 2006 NICE guidelines. The 2013 Cochrane review [4] concluded that statins reduce all-cause mortality and cardiovascular events without increasing the risk of adverse events among people at low risk of CVD of less than 10 % risk over ten years. The change from its 2011 review was based largely on a meta-analysis by the Cholesterol Treatment Trialists’ (CTT) Collaboration published a year earlier [6].

    The CTT 2012 meta-analysis [6] was designed to assess the  “overall net benefit” of cholesterol lowering with statins in the subgroup of participants at low risk of cardiovascular disease - defined as five year risk <10 % - in 27 clinical trials published by the end of 2009. The average five-year risk in participants in this group was 2.6 %. The authors concluded that statin therapy significantly reduces the risk of all-cause mortality by 9.1 % and of major vascular events, including major coronary events (non-fatal myocardial infarction or coronary death), strokes and coronary revascularization procedures – by about 20 % per 1.0 mmol/L reduction in low density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, regardless of baseline risk level. The authors calculated that in low risk patients, statins prevented 11 major vascular events per 1 000 people treated for five years for each 1.0 mmol/L reduction in LDL cholesterol. They concluded that this significant benefit of statins in low risk patients “greatly [exceeded] any known hazards of statin therapy.”

    However, John Abramson at Harvard Medical School and three colleagues in US and Canadian universities re-evaluated the 2012 CTT meta-analysis and published their results in the BMJ in October 2013 [7]. They found that for people with less than a 10 % five-year risk of CVD, there was no significant reduction in overall mortality with statin treatment. Concentrating on ‘hard cardiovascular events’, i.e., cardiovascular death, myocardial infarction and stroke, as the most reliable endpoints least vulnerable to bias in judgement,  which constitute 65 % of major vascular events that occurred in people with a five year risk of <10 %, the was 7.15 per 1 000 low risk patients treated for five years. In other words, 140 people with a five-year risk of less than 10 % need to be treated with statins for five years in order to prevent one heart attack or stroke, but with no reduction in overall mortality and no reduction in serious adverse events overall.  


    Serious adverse events from statin therapy not included in meta-analysis

    In order to judge the net effect of a treatment on overall health, it is necessary to know the total number of serious adverse events, including death from all causes, hospital admissions, prolongation of admission, cancer, or permanent disability. Despite having access to patient-level data, the CTT meta-analysis [6] did not consider the effect of statins on serious adverse events. Only 3 or the 5 largest trials included in the meta-analysis reported data on serious adverse events, none of which reported a reduction associated with statin.

    The 2013 Cochrane review [4] relied on two earlier reviews that included only published data to conclude that the rate of serious adverse events was similar in the statin and placebo groups. Abramson and colleagues [7] listed known side effects from the literature:  myopathy at 100 to 400 times the rate reported by the CTT meta-analysis of 0.5 per 1 000 patient, diabetes at more than five times the 5 per 1 000 reported by CCT meta-analysis, and a string of others including liver dysfunction, acute renal failure and cataracts, cognitive symptoms, neuropathy and sexual dysfunction, decreased energy and exertional fatigue, and psychiatric symptoms including depression, memory loss, confusion, and aggressive reactions. One positive association is a decreased risk of oesophageal cancer. However, they misinterpreted an epidemiological study that side-effects could be as high as 18 – 20 %, which was later corrected [8].

    Opposing statins “a serious disservice to British and international medicine”


    On 21 March 2014, Sir Rory Collins, professor of medicine and epidemiology at the Clinical Trial Service Unit of Oxford University and head of the CTT collaboration, told The Guardian that the Abramson et al paper was “a serious disservice to British and international medicine” [9], and claimed it was probably killing more people than had been harmed as the result of the paper on the MMR vaccine by Andrew Wakefield (but see [10] MMR Controversy Reignites, SiS 66). Collins claimed they have “good data from over 100 000 people that show statins are very well tolerated, with only one or two well-documented [problematic] side effects.” Myopathy, or muscle weakness, occurred in one in 10 000, he said, and there was a small increase in diabetes. However, he had refused to release the data to the public.


    On 15 February 2015, Collins had changed his tune. He told the Sunday Express [11] that his team will carry out a “challenging” reassessment of the evidence which will include studying all reported side effects. They had looked at only heart and cancer risks in the original research, and had not examined other side effects.

    Fiona Godlee, editor in chief of BMJ, which has led calls for access to statins data, said: “This is of real concern. We wrongly assumed all the details of possible side effects had been thoroughly assessed before new guidance effectively made tens of thousands of people eligible for this drug. We now know this is not the case and would urge any re-analysis is done in the most transparent way.”

    Meanwhile, Dr. Sarah Wollaston, Chair of the Commons Health Select Committee, called for drug companies to release all their trial data. Her demand was echoed by experts at BMJ, asking the authors of all the major statin trials to release the findings for independent analysis.

    Collins had requested BMJ to retract the paper of Abramson and colleagues [7]. An independent panel appointed by the editor of BMJ ruled unanimously (6 to 0) against Collins [12].


    http://www.i-sis.org.uk/Statins_for_the_Healthy_are_Harmful.php

    My bold were Sir Rory Collins admits not all side effects were examined  facepalm
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    Post by chris c Sun Jan 03 2016, 22:36

    I've been reading/re-reading Chris Masterjohn, who can be found here

    http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2010/09/new-study-shows-that-lying-about-your.html

    http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/denmark-came-for-your-sugar-and-trans.html

    http://www.westonaprice.org/category/our-blogs/cmasterjohn/

    Frankly I know who I'd rather believe. He's normally very mild mannered and polite and the above are almost rants.

    I think his position can be summed up as "cholesterol isn't the cause of anything and is essential for health. BROKEN lipoproteins ARE a problem and the answer is to target what breaks their metabolism, not the cholesterol they contain"
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    Post by graham64 Sun Jan 03 2016, 23:03

    chris c wrote:I've been reading/re-reading Chris Masterjohn, who can be found here

    http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2010/09/new-study-shows-that-lying-about-your.html

    http://blog.cholesterol-and-health.com/2011/10/denmark-came-for-your-sugar-and-trans.html

    http://www.westonaprice.org/category/our-blogs/cmasterjohn/

    Frankly I know who I'd rather believe. He's normally very mild mannered and polite and the above are almost rants.

    I think his position can be summed up as "cholesterol isn't the cause of anything and is essential for health. BROKEN lipoproteins ARE a problem and the answer is to target what breaks their metabolism, not the cholesterol they contain"

    I second that Chris Masterjohn has always been on my to read list and the science behind his posts is always sound
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    Post by ChrisPalmer Mon Jan 04 2016, 12:53

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    Post by graham64 Mon Jan 04 2016, 22:13

    Most of Osidge's posts in the Statin Poll thread which he hijacked to promote Big Pharma have now been moved to another thread 

     http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/statins-good-or-bad-what-does-the-research-say.90050/

    This is one that caught my eye

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    Oldvatr is right of course when it comes down to drugs research in which Big Pharma skew the outcomes, statins are a prime example and when Sir Rory Statin Collins has acknowledged research did not investigate all side effects, now he and his colleagues will review patient records to see how many have suffered 'adverse' effects.

    The few studies that are not funded by Big Pharma show unbiased results which are often contrary to the research from Big Pharma 

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