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Promoting a low carb high fat lifestyle for the safe control of diabetes. Eat whole fresh food, more drugs are not the answer.


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    The illogical and warped mindset of the low carb anti.

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    Post by Eddie Sat Sep 05 2015, 10:57

    Back when some of us oldtimers joined the betus club and went low carb we started telling all who would listen to us about our success. Many people listened to us and they too tried low carb and were successful. I don’t need to bang on about the benefits to people on this forum. Almost immediately a small group of highly vocal low carb antis came out of the woodwork. Without lots of carbs we were dead men walking, a whole plethora of grim health problems was on the cards for us. The antis agreed sugar was a complete no no, but lots of carbs i.e sugar was essential, go figure that one. The antis lost the argument completely, there is no such thing as an essential carbohydrate, that is a fact and science does not argue that fact.

    When the antis gave up flogging that dead horse, they turned on fats. OK they bellowed you may not need all the carbs but all that fat will kill ya. None will forget the NHS adverts showing blocked drains and grim warnings about fat in the diet. The adverts were far from honest with the truth, saturated fats will block a drain, but one definition of sat fats is solid at room temperature, and the average room temperature is not around 98 degrees in old money nor is the average drain. Also most of the fat data giving us the voice of doom, included man made trans fats and fats made from canola oil etc. they are killers and that has been proved. It was beyond the antis mental capacity to realise the fats man had ate since the beginning of time, somewhere around 3,000,000 years, are a totally different ball game to the junk that had been around for a hundred years, which incidentally, coincided nicely with the rapid rise in the heart disease. That being said the astute realised the worst possible combination for anyone, especially a diabetic, is a high highly processed carb diet together with plenty of fat, from whatever source. This simple fact is too much for the antis to comprehend. They believe the carb up and shoot up, and minimal fat diet is the way to go, which leads me to today's sermon from the mount.

    Over at the flog all round good guy Dr. David Unwin (Southport GP) was reporting yesterday “Saturated fats;no longer deadly- BMJ” David has had great success with his diabetic patients using a low carb diet and that fact has been well reported. Some may remember when he joined the flog he was immediately attacked by some, lead by the one and only Sid Bonkers as a troll, and his post was allowed to stand. He did apologize around three months later. After yesterday's post from David, a relative newcomer to the flog SunnyexPat, who appears to working to an agenda (I could be wrong) was swiftly joined by the high priestess of carb up and shoot up, and Hope Warshaw acolyte Phoenix. Who quoted SunnyExpat and said “Absolutely I don't think that the BMJ is really representing the original paper faithfully in this press release The gist of the original paper found (using observational studies; not randomised controlled trials ie not the highest quality of evidence)”

    Now, I don’t need a randomised controlled trial to tell me hitting myself on the head with a baseball bat is going to do me harm, I don’t need a randomised controlled trial to tell me my diet is safe, my blood work over the last seven plus years tells me all I need to know. I don’t need a randomised controlled trial to tell me Phoenix is working to a very dubious agenda, and has been for years. Remember she has access to insulin, a pump, the best medical professionals and test strips. Many type two diabetics have none of this, they are not prescribed test strips and they cannot afford to buy their own. As Mo said last night Bonkers is a “bell end” I reckon even the newbies see that quickly and discount his lunatic rantings, but Phoenix is clever, and that in my opinion makes her the most dangerous anti on the flog. Of course she doesn't  fool the knowledgeable, but I wonder how much confusion and damage her long term propaganda campaign has done for the already confused newbies, and long time poorly controlled diabetics. Her methods do not work for the majority and she knows it, the last ten years of NHS audited diabetes statistics prove it, why is she so hell bent on continuing the carnage.

    Have a great weekend folks.
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    Post by Indy51 Sat Sep 05 2015, 11:42

    There was a great article at Health Insight this week also pointing out that RCTs can be designed to reach any endpoint you want them to:

    http://healthinsightuk.org/2015/09/03/is-it-really-codswallop-that-fish-oil-protects-the-brain-probably-not-heres-why/

    I really don't get the worship science mindset - any review of the history of science shows it is riddled with egomaniacs and dogmatists who will stoop to any low to promote their pet hypotheses. And it happens in every single branch of science. It tells you much more about the nature of mankind than about the wonders of science Twisted Evil


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    Post by zand Sat Sep 05 2015, 15:27

    No I don't understand the worship science mentality either,  science is just a tool that we can use alongside common sense and our own experiences.  I suppose the term 'common sense' isn't that accurate because in some circles basic 'sense' isn't that commonly found.    

    Science by it's nature can't always be trusted because a theory stands until another one comes along to disprove it.  

    When I see that eating XYZ has helped me lose n pounds in weight, that's a fact that will remain with me forever.  When I see that a 5mg dose of magnesium supplement has put my heart back into its correct rhythm over 20 times, then that is fact to me.  There could be a huge study stating this is not the case, but seeing (not hypothesising) is believing for us individuals.  That's what the 'science is everything brigade' don't get.    That's why studies don't mean a thing to me as an individual.
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    Post by Eddie Sat Sep 05 2015, 16:33

    zand wrote:No I don't understand the worship science mentality either,  science is just a tool that we can use alongside common sense and our own experiences.  I suppose the term 'common sense' isn't that accurate because in some circles basic 'sense' isn't that commonly found.    

    Science by it's nature can't always be trusted because a theory stands until another one comes along to disprove it.  

    When I see that eating XYZ has helped me lose n pounds in weight, that's a fact that will remain with me forever.  When I see that a 5mg dose of magnesium supplement has put my heart back into its correct rhythm over 20 times, then that is fact to me.  There could be a huge study stating this is not the case, but seeing (not hypothesising) is believing for us individuals.  That's what the 'science is everything brigade' don't get.    That's why studies don't mean a thing to me as an individual.

    Some science is real science and is some times called laws * but so much so called science today has be bought and paid for by big pharma and junk food. Of course you can believe whatever you like, anyone can post up a link to a study about a bloke in a shed with half a dozen mice over fortnight, Phoenix is in a class of her own in that deportment. So, what can we diabetics believe? I say believe your BG meter, your hospital blood tests, your weighing scales and tape measure. And if you feel good, you probably are good. One thing is for sure, controlling diabetes ain't no rocket science.

    * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_scientific_laws_named_after_people
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    Post by chris c Sat Sep 05 2015, 21:50

    Indy51 wrote:
    I really don't get the worship science mindset - any review of the history of science shows it is riddled with egomaniacs and dogmatists who will stoop to any low to promote their pet hypotheses. And it happens in every single branch of science. It tells you much more about the nature of mankind than about the wonders of science  Twisted Evil


    Quite! A LOT of research is carefully designed to obtain the results the sponsors wanted. Sometimes the ACTUAL results buried in the heart of the paper differ significantly from what is discussed - often the Abstract may be carefully written to avoid some or other finding, and usually the Press Release is a further (mis) interpretation. Future funding becomes more important than facts.

    I think it was Malcolm Kendrick who pointed out that a true scientist on seeing results should say "That's funny!..." on finding what appears to be an anomaly, rather than fudging the data to obscure it in favour of the theory.

    Peter at Hyperlipid had a quote I can't remember the attribution of, that education teaches you what questions NOT to ask. The failures become scientists.

    A lot of research, especially metastudies so beloved of NHS Evidence, starts on the premise that the population is a bell curve when it may actually be a set of different genetic groups which react differently to the same thing.

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