Priests On Acid

Long long ago I remember reading about a trial where they gave LSD to priests.

The trial effectively unblinded itself - the ones on placebo were saying

"Er, I think something might be happening, I'm not sure . . ."

Meanwhile the priests who got the acid were weeping, going down on their knees and crying

"I SEE GOD!!!"

I often think of that when I see "low carb" trials. In the Real World people lose scads of weight, control their diabetes and reverse all kinds of symptoms and "health markers". In so many trials there is little or no difference between the high carb and low carb arms. This makes me believe that the trials are knobbled. Both lots of priests are on different placebos.

chris c wrote:Long long ago I remember reading about a trial where they gave LSD to priests.

The trial effectively unblinded itself - the ones on placebo were saying

"Er, I think something might be happening, I'm not sure . . ."

Meanwhile the priests who got the acid were weeping, going down on their knees and crying

"I SEE GOD!!!"

I often think of that when I see "low carb" trials. In the Real World people lose scads of weight, control their diabetes and reverse all kinds of symptoms and "health markers". In so many trials there is little or no difference between the high carb and low carb arms. This makes me believe that the trials are knobbled. Both lots of priests are on different placebos.

Little or no difference between high and low carb that's probably down to the fact some define LC as 40%, I reckon Virta is the one to watch though complaints have been raised about a lack of a control arm

Yeah well the control arm is everyone else on a high carb diet.

You never see anything like this in trials

https://twitter.com/DoctorTro/status/982784574282436608

"He got the good pill"

Virta is good because they are extending it out over time. David Unwin and others and a few studies also show the kind of results that are commonplace in diabetes forums. But there's little interest in studying the successes, only the failures. $$$

chris c wrote:Yeah well the control arm is everyone else on a high carb diet.

You never see anything like this in trials

https://twitter.com/DoctorTro/status/982784574282436608

"He got the good pill"

Virta is good because they are extending it out over time. David Unwin and others and a few studies also show the kind of results that are commonplace in diabetes forums. But there's little interest in studying the successes, only the failures. $$$

Lol   dietitians should read Dr Tro's twitter feed it's them that's always going on about weight loss on low carb is down to water loss 

Hi,
I can't see how doing a double blind trial is possible on Virta's brief.  The insurance companies that fund them know their improving people's health, that's the model.

People would have to sign up to the possibility that a trial could make their health worse, it would be unethical under the circumstances.
Virta is being judged by results, please don't apply the same criteria to PHE and the Tedstone lady. She has scientific authority on her side.  
D.

Quite! The nay-sayers will say nay because, well, that's what they do.