The latest anti excursion

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/forum-support-for-alternative-diets.80488/

So funny - if you read the Success Stories and Testimonials, I've yet to find a recent thread on the first page that the OP's name appears anywhere. Hypocritical much, Annie_C pinkorchid

Not to mention that you'd find very few Success Stories that aren't written by LCHF members - I guess that's why she can't bring herself to say "well done" to any of those posters even though she's whining about how everybody deserves support

Everybody deserves support except LCHFers and Newcastle dieters apparently. Funny that those two seem to be the most successful groups. Also both of these diets require quite radical changes in what we eat, so I would have thought these people would deserve more support than the "I eat what I want " brigade.

Why some members here seem so obsessed with the forum of flog is beyond me.

1. Seriously folks the facts are these. Almost from the start of the forum of flog almost all, I repeat almost all the success stories have been achieved with a low carb higher fat diet, end of. Any argument over that? thought not.

2. For over five years a small group of low carb antis, mostly the carb up, shoot up and pump up brigade, have worked overtime to justify their method of at times, very poor or very expensive control. I am thinking of people like SarahQ aka Carbsrock, Phoenix, Noblehead and who could forget the lunatic Jopar. Today I am leaving the Bonkers one out of this, on the grounds of his diminished responsibility. Poor old Sid cannot see beyond PHAT!  

3. Other than Ian, who seems to have gone AWOL, who can blame him, the current set of mods have the intellect of a lobotomised monkey, and devoid of any sense of irony, humour, or wit. This lacklustre in the extreme team, is lead by a non diabetic, recently left school chav.

While typing this post I see Miss Whiplash aka The Crafty Cherub, has been wielding the whip and locked the thread. So what's new at the flog, it's business as usual, "going round in circles" just like DUK the NHS and the BDA et al. Will it ever be thus?

You just can't win with the anti's one minute there complaining that low carbers are dominating threads and the next minute their failing to congratulate the few who claim success from other diets

Perhaps it's escaped Pinkorchid's attention that many low carbers have been banned or left due to the way the forum is moderated by the cherub   maybe Pinkorchid could channel her energies into responding to the many unanswered threads that appear daily  

@Eddie
IanD is no longer a mod if he resigned or was pushed out I don't know, but what it does mean the DCUK forum is now dominated by anti LC mods

@Eddie
IanD is no longer a mod if he resigned or was pushed out I don't know, but what it does mean the DCUK forum is now dominated by anti LC mods

Sorry to hear that Graham, but what would the flog have a need for a retired scientist, honest as the day is long and highly knowledgeable mod. Something I wrote at the time another great mod left the flog.

"Without a shadow of a doubt, the best DCUK forum mod in years has done a Capt. Oates. While other mods only seemed to surface on Halloween, or add to their post count on the word games, Mo put in a massive amount of time. Always fair and even handed, never taking sides and always a friendly welcome for the newbies. This has been the pattern over the years, the best mods walk time and time again, who will forget Pneu, the most knowledgeable mod they have had in years, forced to resign on this very blog. I have one keen sense of smell and I am smelling 4lb of condemned veal. When will the dullards that run the joint wake up?"

OK, to be fair I really like and respect Mo, but he proved to be a bit of a lightweight in the stamina dept. re modding a forum as proved here.   OK, the truth is, he had better things to do than hang around with a pair of old gangsters like me and you Graham, can't say I blame him.

Ahhh...My old friend Maybird/AnnieC/Pinchorchid...The sweet,curious little old lady of DCUK!

I'd LOVE to know what her real angle is!

I find it disconcerting when someone who hasn't been banned comes back to DCUK with a new ID. I find it quite sinister, why would you do that unless you wished to deceive people? I notice there is a new bit in the DCUK rules saying they would prefer us to only have one ID now, surely cancelling an old one and coming back a couple of weeks later is still circumventing the rules?

zand wrote:I find it disconcerting when someone who hasn't been banned comes back to DCUK with a new ID. I find it quite sinister, why would you do that unless you wished to deceive people?  I notice there is  a new bit in the DCUK rules saying they would prefer us to only have one ID now, surely cancelling an old one and coming back a couple of weeks later is still circumventing the rules?  

I doesn't seem that long ago that Giverny said it was OK to use multiple forum ID's

graham64 wrote:

zand wrote:I find it disconcerting when someone who hasn't been banned comes back to DCUK with a new ID. I find it quite sinister, why would you do that unless you wished to deceive people?  I notice there is  a new bit in the DCUK rules saying they would prefer us to only have one ID now, surely cancelling an old one and coming back a couple of weeks later is still circumventing the rules?  

I doesn't seem that long ago that Giverny said it was OK to use multiple forum ID's

Indeed.

Sid (the enforcer) Bonkers is back in full mad dog mode at the forum of flog. Sid has a highly entrenched phobia about consuming healthy fats, the fats man has ate since the beginning of time.

"Well so far I can see that only those who advocate lchf have answered and there lies the truth if you care to look for it it, IMO those who follow this type of diet can only see the good in it and will disregard any evidence to the contrary, it has been reported many times on this and other forums that a lchf diet will increase insulin resistance and there are many posts here telling of lc'ers saying that the smallest amount of carbs sends their bg levels into orbit or words to that effect, I see this as being counter productive to a condition that is caused by insulin resistance, of course you must believe what you want to."

Perhaps Sid could post up links to studies proving an increase in healthy fats leads to increased insulin resistance in a diabetic. Just because Sid believes this and has ranted this for years, does not make it true. Perhaps Sid could tell us why the many low carbers we know from the early days of the flog, have not increased diabetic medications in over seven years, some still on zero meds. If our insulin resistance had increased, we would require an uplift in meds to maintain our non diabetic BG numbers, clearly this has not been the case.

"There have been studies that say that certain fats can cause insulin resistance but these are all rubbished by the lchf fraternity as far as I can see where as everything claimed on lc blogs and those who's living is made from selling diet books is immediately believed and becomes part of the lc folf lore, things like we only started eating grains 10,000 years ago which is not the case and was proven recently when an autopsy was performed on an early man that was discovered and found to have grains in his stomach clearly proving that man was eating grains for a much longer period. I dont have the dates but Im sure google will find it if you chose to disbelieve me."

It maybe a person in the Rift Valley ate grains millions of years ago, who gives a monkeys? What is known is that farming and cultivating crops began during the agricultural revolution around ten thousand years ago, in man evolutionary terms, this next to no time at all.

"Another lc myth is that we were designed to eat a diet high in fat but if that was true why would our bodies look for carbs to turn to glucose before fat? No one can deny that yet still the myth is repeated that a lchf diet is what we we should all be eating."

It escapes Sid us diabetics cannot eat a high carb diet, he talks as if we have a choice. Lost calories due to a stiff reduction in carbs must be made up, we choose healthy fats, as there are limitations to how much protein is desirable or affordable to eat, also protein can turn to approximately 50% glucose. We have to eat protein to live, but best not overdone for us controlling our diabetes by way of diet, exercise, and minimal/zero meds.

"I could go on and on but it is highly unlikely that anyone who supports the lchf way of life will believe a word I post s whats the point which is why I no longer post much here any more despite being extremely well controlled and having lost weight and maintained that weight loss for over 6 years."

I agree 100% Sid, I don't believe much of what you say, and not posting much does everyone on the forum a favour. You contribute nothing in the way of helping or encouraging other diabetics. No links to useful information, no recipes or food ideas, no good news, just one long anguished scream about saturated and other healthy fats. You swallowed the NHS dieteary bullshit hook, line and sinker and can't admit the science has moved on.

"One other thing to bear in mind is that there are a lot of members here who advocate a lchf diet despite it not working for them in the short or long term, often these members will recommend lchf for weight loss while being unable to lose weight themselves!!"

For most weight was not the primary reason for low carbing, indeed many diabetics do not need to lose weight, control of BG was the reason for starting, weight loss is often an added bonus. Clearly even though some people are low carbing, far too many calories will not help with weight loss wherever the calories come from.

"All the above is just my opinion yet I will be attacked for it both here and elsewhere, on that you can rely, any evidence or studies undertaken that lc is not the be and end all of diabetic control is always ignored by those who follow this way of life however any myth printed in a book or a blog is always believed."

While you keep posting lies and misinformation Sid, I will keep posting the truth.

"I will yet again be labelled a hater and an anti yet it is the hard core lchf evangelists who are the real haters and antis as they are anti anything that is not lchf to the point of disbelieving that there is more than one way to control diabetes where as I dont attack those who follow a lchf diet I just dont agree with it especially the high fat and very low carb part as I believe it is counter productive to reducing insulin resistance, and having an opinion is not being anti or a hater that comes from those who cant hear a word spoken against what they see as an evangelistic campaign to promote their diet."

Low carb higher fat works for almost all Sid, your forum members tell us this almost every day of the week. The modern science backs us up and increasingly Scientists and Medical Professionals all over the world are agreeing with us low carb Zealots. Anyway Sid, you stick to your cornflakes and semi-skimmed milk, chocolate biscuits and Celebration chocolates, us low carbers will stick to whole fresh food home-cooked.

You know it makes sense Sid, why do you fight it?

Link to the Bonkers one is here. http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/whats-up-with-the-low-carb-is-bad-hype.80666/#post-902769

Dear old Sid if he see's LowCarb in a thread title he's on it like a flash  As usual he cites increased insulin resistance as a result of LC/HF. We know it can take a few weeks to adapt to the diet and the same can be said in reverse introducing carbs will result in higher BG but after a while they will revert to the same lower but still crap levels we had prior to LC. A good example is Stefansson and his colleague Anderson who after 12 months on a HF/LC diet linky when carbs were re-introduced into their diets failed an OGT but passed after a few weeks of a normal diet. Still Sid is an avid follower of the manic carbsane so we should not be surprised at his sporadic outbursts 

Anyway due to a curse being placed on my abode I may not have much time left

Stop press noblehead has locked the thread how am I not surprised by that.

I was going to say this on the thread over there but I can't because it's been locked.

God Bless Phoenix and Sid.

Have a good day everyone.

Anyone woke up to 1000's of locusts or frogs yet?

Looks like Phoenix has a bad case of Bonkeritis, no known cure, full report to follow.

DCUK The Bonkers one has mission accomplished, another thread locked.

Over at the forum of flog, Sid Bonkers gets another thread locked. Over the years Sid and his low carb anti cohorts must have been involved in over 90% of the locked threads. Every time the antis have made complete fools of themselves (which is often) they revert to their standard MO and get a thread locked and very often a low carber banned. Long time low carb anti Phoenix, a staunch fan of Hope Warshaw "60% carb is not a high carb diet and low carb is old dogma" and Carbsane the most rabid low carb anti on the planet, was as often the case also involved. Getting threads locked is easier these days because all the mods are biased against low carbing and very cosy with the usual suspects.

Of all the antis over the years (there has not been many but have caused much damage) Phoenix has proved to be the brightest and by definition the most destructive in my opinion. We have in the past credited her with far more grey matter than the likes of Noblehead, Anna and the Cherub et al. Clearly Phoenix has lost the plot big time, as can be seen from the screen shot from the flog last night.

"II wouldn't have answered this thread because I feel uncomfortable doing so . Sid gave his reasons why people won't reply and surprise surprise his post is repeated with derision elsewhere , in a place that other members of the forum post so presumably support?"

So why did you answer on the thread Phoenix? because you could not keep away, and as alawys rather slippery of you to mention members of another forum who post at the flog. Trying to get a few more low carbers banned? just because some of the flog members post on the Low Carb Forum, does not mean they agree with every thread or subject that is discussed, or they are fans of me, Graham or Paul. Jan has never ever posted a comment re. the forum of flog or any of it's members, anywhere. But phoenix had to have a backhanded dig at Jan's thread re. our Grandchild last night with her "I haven't been able to afford to see my grandchildren since Christmas" as if we are responsible for her lack of money.

"I've been called a pharma shill (my bank account would love it, I haven't been able to afford to see my grandchildren since Christmas) an 'anti' whatever that means and goodness knows what else and I'm rather tired of it (a plague on all your houses)which is why I didn't reply to the rather loaded question."

"A plague on all your houses" Good grief has she resorted to witchcraft? she's tried everything else to silence low carbers. Bring on the Voodoo dolls and medicine men.

"so I will with a link to a previous post of mine http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/why-i-dont-low-carb.8913/#post-83982 I could probably add to that because it's several years and an awful lot of reading and several courses later but Tim has already included a recent literature search on ketogenic diets (@Dillinger; if you read it you'll find that there are some that list the foods used)I would also add that I still take about the same amount of insulin as then; it went up when I developed hypothyroid but is now much the same as then. I agree with DD earlier who mentions that a salad can contain 19 or more grams of carbohydrate. (unless you stick to Bernstein one cherry tomato amounts) I count carbs from every source, I don't eat packaged or highly refined foods. yet they add up. So often the impression is given that higher carb diets are full of highly refined junk foods."

The link Phoenix referred to was six years old as another member stated "Your original post was 6 years ago. 'Science' changes over time. The myths about saturated fats are being debunked which is why LCHF is becoming even more popular." The 19 grams plus salad information, or a Bernstein one cherry tomato remark, also misleading. You can eat a lot of salad items (carefully chosen) and not get near 19 grams of carb.

The bottom line re. this latest thread locking exercise, even the mentally challenged and duplicitous Noblehead realised the antis were losing big time, as they always do, and went for the panic button. It was ever thus.

I was shocked and taken aback by Phoenix's reaction yesterday.   I have argued against the rest of you so many times.  If there's something I don't agree with I say so.  Thank you for giving me the right to do that and for leaving my posts intact for all to see.

If only DCUK was so transparent.  How many threads are cut off half way with only one point of view left because any opposing views have been deleted?  Presumably because I post over there too I also agree with this action?  I don't.

I have publicly stated several times that I don't always agree with you guys.  I have at times spoken up over here in support of Sid and Phoenix and told you all when I thought you were being unfair.  If I felt that quotes were taken out of context I pulled you up on it and told you so.  I have never called anyone a shill.  I haven't treated Sid or Phoenix with derision.  Nevertheless that is what I am being blamed for.  It hurts.  

I am beginning to understand how the rest of you feel now.  I have become caught up in all of this because I tend to post about my own experiences in the hope that they will help someone else.  I know what works for me and I will continue to tell others about it.  Surely that's what decent human beings do?  Why would I want to keep this to myself if I can help someone else?  If that's being evangelical about LCHF then that's what I am.  

I post here because I like LCHF and it's good to be with like minds.  I post here because I know my posts won't be edited or deleted.  If I had never had a post deleted at DCUK then I wouldn't have joined this forum.  I don't think I make much of a difference here.  If I and the other DCUK members left this forum, I suspect Eddie, Graham and Paul you would still continue with it and still make the same posts that you do now.  I feel that I and one or two others are being blamed for 'encouraging' you to make posts about a few people at DCUK.  Presumably if we weren't here then you wouldn't make the posts.  How ridiculous is that?  You were all making those types of posts long before I even entered a forum and I'm sure you will be continuing long after I leave.  Do they really think I incite you to make these posts just by being here?  Unbelievable.

I intend to stay here and post for as long as I want to do so.  I won't be intimidated.  I also won't be wasting my time trying to do the decent thing and stick up for those two or their friends anymore when I think you are misquoting them or misjudging them.   I'm keeping out of it in future.

I really don't understand those people and I guess I never will.

@zand

No one has encouraged us to post here, the buck stops with me and Eddie. We are own men. The few people we target are the same ones that were involved when we were members of DCUK. I had many posts edited to alter the context, threads deleted or moved to different forums by a biased moderator see what happened to this thread I originally posted in the low carb forum.

                http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/mary-c-vernon-md.11178/

I sit back and watch but I find it so frustrating I just need to register my alarm. How dare Nobhead lock that thread just because we had the upper hand, still, sometimes, a result like this is better than a trophy :-)

graham64 wrote:@zand

No one has encouraged us to post here, the buck stops with me and Eddie. We are own men. The few people we target are the same ones that were involved when we were members of DCUK. I had many posts edited to alter the context, threads deleted or moved to different forums by a biased moderator see what happened to this thread I originally posted in the low carb forum.

                http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/mary-c-vernon-md.11178/

So, a link back to posts made in 2009 and most of the same people running the roost then as now. Bonkers, Nobhead, The Cherub, Phoenix. The only reason Cugila and Sugarless Sue went was because they were fired thanks to me and Graham. The same bullying tactics, ridicule and ganging up on prominent low carbers, the same editing and deletion of threads, the same thread locking and banning. Nothing has changed in six years.

The flog markets itself as "The Largest Diabetes Forum in Europe" but think on this. There are over 3,000,000 diagnosed diabetics in the UK. The flogs membership is stated as being over 150,000. It is clear only a tiny fraction of the members ever post, the vast majority on the members list have never posted, and clearly a very large number of the total checked in and never came back over the years. The bottom line, the forum is of no interest to the majority of diabetics. Where would the forum be today if a handful of wreckers had not run it into the ground. My guess is they would have a much bigger chunk of 3,000,000 UK diabetics as regulars, and the flog could be making a hell of a lot more money than what it is making now. I wonder how much a small bunch of antis has cost the owners over the years. All selling is a numbers game, and I doubt if DCUK get to even 10% of their potential market.

As they say, if you pay peanuts you get monkeys, the mods earn zero at the flog, they have donated their lives to work for free, in a commercial organisation that makes rich men richer. We also work for free, but not for financial gain, or some sort of power crazed ego, we work for love. We do not lie, alter member posts, delete, thread lock and ban, and for what? to hang on to an unpaid job, to a tiny slither of perceived prestige. One thing is for sure, the usual suspects are not in the game to help people, they have alienated countless people and suppressed too much valuable information over the years, too many good people banned. I suspect it will ever be thus. Clearly and beyond all doubt, freedom of speech at the flog is controlled in a way Joseph Stalin and Joseph Goebbels would have envied. When you have no freedom of speech, you have nothing, and you have lost.

Eddie wrote:So, a link back to posts made in 2009 and most of the same people running the roost then as now. Bonkers, Nobhead, The Cherub, Phoenix. The only reason Cugila and Sugarless Sue went was because they were fired thanks to me and Graham. The same bullying tactics, ridicule and ganging up on prominent low carbers, the same editing and deletion of threads, the same thread locking and banning. Nothing has changed in six years.

Things won't change whilst the cherub is a moderator, Dan the admin mentioned in one post he wanted mods to be fair and unbiased well having given the job to noblehead and cherub who are without a doubt anti low carb has put paid to that. Their stance can be plainly seen by the amount of LC members who have either been banned or walked away due the unwarranted post edits and thread locking. DCUK forum is not a place for proper debate anymore the cherub has seen to that, the few low carbers that are left do a good job but I wonder how long they will last.

"the few low carbers that are left do a good job but I wonder how long they will last"

You are right, but the few left do a great job and refuse to walk because of the corrupt antics. What cannot be denied is all the good news is and will remain low carb, from yesterday.

"Hi,
I was diagnosed T2 at end of May. Had confirmation blood test 2 weeks later (7.8mmol fasting) so put onto Metformin. I followed standard advice and lost half a stone whilst going through the common metformin side-effects.

Ten days ago I found this forum and was advised to get a meter and go low-carb. I started a ketogenic diet 5 days ago - 30g carb or less. As of this morning I was 11lb lighter than when diagnosed.

I say all this because my meter arrived yesterday and I've done my first tests this evening. I've got an SD Codefree. It took a couple of attempts at first before I got the hang of things but the first result, before my meal, was 4.3mmol. My second result two hours after the meal was 5.0mmol.


http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/first-self-test-too-good-to-be-true.80891/

Bonkers is back to his usual belligerent neanderthal self , making unfounded accusations on desidiabulum's thread "Have you been told not to test your blood sugars?" post 407 , 410 and 414 .

Desi responded to set the record straight post 413 and 416 , but as usual one of her posts was edited by the cherub, Bonkers is of course the protected one and does not have to worry about edits no matter how inflammatory and sarcastic are his posts.

As an aside Bonkers received one like from pinkorchid, the cherub is another who has a penchant for giving likes to him makes me wonder if she uses a multiple account to stir things up