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Over the years I have heard a great deal about the low GI diet. I tried it years ago and found it did not work for me. There is so much ambiguity it makes it useless for a diabetic in my opinion, what say you ?
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The low GI diet does it work ?
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Doesn't make much sense to me, especially not for diabetics. Was listening to a podcast with Kiefer of Carb Nite fame and he is particularly scathing of low GI/GL foods as he says the last thing diabetics need is to spend hours bathing their cells in insulin clearing slow release carbs 
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I don't know about others but to me and my meter,a carb is a carb,the only difference being slow release ones kept my readings higher for longer.
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Doesn't low GI prevent the spike though ? I agree, carb content may be the same but isn't the BG level rise steadier ? The only difference it makes to me is time of injection. If eating low GI, I may inject after eating rather than injecting earlier to counteract the spike of a high GI meal.
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I tried it for weight loss whilst I was still pre-diabetic. I put on 8 pounds in 2 weeks. Not keen on trying it again.
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zand wrote:I tried it for weight loss whilst I was still pre-diabetic. I put on 8 pounds in 2 weeks. Not keen on trying it again.
As you may know I'm not a diabetic .... but I have looked into GI and concluded how confusing it all is.
I'll just stick to my LCHF lifestyle thanks.
All the best Jan
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I can't see how it would be much good for weight loss as low GI doesn't necessarily mean low calorie. It may well be a healthier option though.
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mo1905 wrote:I can't see how it would be much good for weight loss as low GI doesn't necessarily mean low calorie. It may well be a healthier option though.
Yes, I totally agree and that's what I told the doctor when she recommended it to me for weight loss, I knew straight away that it wouldn't work as the total daily intake they were suggesting was lots more than I normally ate. But she insisted saying "well, it worked for me, look!" It just goes to show ...we're all.... um.... not the same.
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I reckon the video says it all !
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It was the first diet that I tried after being diagnosed with T2DM. It was obvious that it was failing just after a few meals.
I was really impressed with the theory, but it just does not seem workable for those of us who are carb intolerant. The same goes for the safe starch theory. There are no safe starches for those of us who are carb intolerant.
I was really impressed with the theory, but it just does not seem workable for those of us who are carb intolerant. The same goes for the safe starch theory. There are no safe starches for those of us who are carb intolerant.
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The biggest problem with GI is being tested in isolated food in normal people without diabetes. No one eat that way an results just are not very consistent even among similar food in different studies. So it may give you an idea about the top offenders but is of little help for diabetics.
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So, if low GI is little use to diabetics AND slimmers, why is it so popular ? Or isn't it ?
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I tried it briefly.
Felt great on it (as good as deep ketosis), unfortunately the reason I felt so good was that my BG was constantly running in the 7s and 8s. Full of beans. Few spikes, no lows.
But I gained weight. The carb cravings became stronger and stronger, and I went back to LC.
I think it works for non-diabetics.
The food was lush.
Felt great on it (as good as deep ketosis), unfortunately the reason I felt so good was that my BG was constantly running in the 7s and 8s. Full of beans. Few spikes, no lows.
But I gained weight. The carb cravings became stronger and stronger, and I went back to LC.
I think it works for non-diabetics.
The food was lush.
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mo1905 wrote:So, if low GI is little use to diabetics AND slimmers, why is it so popular ? Or isn't it ?
I don't think it's popular there is very little evidence of low GI being of much use for T2 diabetics, it's been touted around for the last six years at the other place yet you don't see many low GI success stories there do you.
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Got this from DUK
How do I lower GI?
Choose basmati or easy cook rice, pasta or noodles.
Switch baked or mashed potato for sweet potato or boiled new potatoes.
Instead of white and wholemeal bread, choose granary, pumpernickel or rye bread.
Swap frozen microwaveable French fries for pasta or noodles.
Try porridge, natural muesli or wholegrain breakfast cereals.
You can maximise the benefit of GI by switching to a low GI option food with each meal or snack.
http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Managing-your-diabetes/Glycaemic-Index-GI/
This is a short summary of the GI index.
THE HOAX OF THE GLYCEMIC INDEX
http://www.leanbodiesconsulting.com/articles/the-hoax-of-the-glycemic-index/
How do I lower GI?
Choose basmati or easy cook rice, pasta or noodles.
Switch baked or mashed potato for sweet potato or boiled new potatoes.
Instead of white and wholemeal bread, choose granary, pumpernickel or rye bread.
Swap frozen microwaveable French fries for pasta or noodles.
Try porridge, natural muesli or wholegrain breakfast cereals.
You can maximise the benefit of GI by switching to a low GI option food with each meal or snack.
http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Managing-your-diabetes/Glycaemic-Index-GI/
This is a short summary of the GI index.
THE HOAX OF THE GLYCEMIC INDEX
http://www.leanbodiesconsulting.com/articles/the-hoax-of-the-glycemic-index/
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Nice link Graham thanks. Great explanation of how it works but it still doesn't really explain WHY people choose GI though. The only positive I can think of is to avoid a "spike" post meal.
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mo1905 wrote:Nice link Graham thanks. Great explanation of how it works but it still doesn't really explain WHY people choose GI though. The only positive I can think of is to avoid a "spike" post meal.
Many try the low GI diet because it is pushed by the NHS etc. It was recommended to me at diagnosis. It took my BG numbers from mid twenties to around twelve at best. How anyone can watch the video and think it could ever work for most is beyond me. It's a bit like the old portion control baloney, a carb is always a carb to a diabetic and too many take my BG numbers into dangerous territory.
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Anyone else remember the 'Dedicated' LOW GI section/aisles of the supermarkets about 10 years ago or so? All disappeared into a puff of smoke now! Bring on the low carb aisles!!!! 
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paul1976 wrote:Anyone else remember the 'Dedicated' LOW GI section/aisles of the supermarkets about 10 years ago or so? All disappeared into a puff of smoke now! Bring on the low carb aisles!!!!
They already have them. The meat, the fish, the dairy, the vegetables, many fruits, nuts, seeds the list is long. If you think about it, almost all fresh whole food is low carb. Dump the spuds a few root vegetables and grains and bingo you have a huge range of foods to choose from. Buy food that comes from a farm not a failed science experiment from a petro chem type factory.
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paul1976 wrote:Anyone else remember the 'Dedicated' LOW GI section/aisles of the supermarkets about 10 years ago or so? All disappeared into a puff of smoke now! Bring on the low carb aisles!!!!
Low carb aisles...hmmm...that will be where they put a low carb sticker on an egg and charge you double for it? No thanks!
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Based on my personal experience of losing substantial weight a couple of times using the GI diet, I could probably argue that it contributed to my eventual Type 2 diagnosis? All that extra insulin from long digestion of low GI carbs contributing to hyperinsulinemia?
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I looked into it a few years ago but the whole thing sounded too confusing. As a Type 1 I may have more wriggle room when it comes to eating but for me low GI has nothing on low carb.
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Rory Robertson put a great post on the other forum that went unchallenged by the Low GI advocates:
GLYCEMIC INDEX GIVES GREEN LIGHT TO NEW SUGARY JUNK DRINKS
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/glycemic-index-gives-green-light-to-new-sugary-junk-drinks.44925/#p406303
He's also the author of "The Australian Paradox: A critical analysis"
http://www.australianparadox.com/
GLYCEMIC INDEX GIVES GREEN LIGHT TO NEW SUGARY JUNK DRINKS
http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/glycemic-index-gives-green-light-to-new-sugary-junk-drinks.44925/#p406303
He's also the author of "The Australian Paradox: A critical analysis"
http://www.australianparadox.com/
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What a load of horse manure! And the NHS wonders why diabetes is "progressive". During my one and only meeting with my DN at docs, I was told this crap. I didn't buy it then and I don't buy it now! The scientific evidence for LCHF is overwhelming. I want to stay alive for a bit longer and I like my toes where they are - attached to my feet!graham64 wrote:Got this from DUK
How do I lower GI?
Choose basmati or easy cook rice, pasta or noodles.
Switch baked or mashed potato for sweet potato or boiled new potatoes.
Instead of white and wholemeal bread, choose granary, pumpernickel or rye bread.
Swap frozen microwaveable French fries for pasta or noodles.
Try porridge, natural muesli or wholegrain breakfast cereals.
You can maximise the benefit of GI by switching to a low GI option food with each meal or snack.
http://www.diabetes.org.uk/Guide-to-diabetes/Managing-your-diabetes/Glycaemic-Index-GI/
This is a short summary of the GI index.
THE HOAX OF THE GLYCEMIC INDEX
http://www.leanbodiesconsulting.com/articles/the-hoax-of-the-glycemic-index/
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