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    The Rise of Diabulimia

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    Post by mo1905 Wed Feb 04 2015, 16:51

    This appears to be getting more and more of a problem. Skipping insulin is seen as a quick way to lose weight. Read the story of a woman who done this regularly and the problems it caused.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2937318/Diabetic-reveals-skipped-vital-insulin-jabs-lose-weight-worrying-rise-diabulimia.html
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    Post by Sally Wed Feb 04 2015, 17:52

    Oh dear.  If only she had been told about low carb.  She would have needed less insulin, therefore less weight gain and she would have had the energy and health, which she is now lacking.

    I do realise, however, that this woman's situation is, to some extent (or maybe largely), a mental illness.  I wonder if it is possible to go too far with LCHF, or is another of its amazing features that you simply can't turn adherence  into an illness?  Just thinking on my feet here, but I suppose one could imagine someone obsessively picking tiny flecks of herbs off a steak to avoid possible carbs.  By and large, though, I'm inclined to think obsession with LC is generally a good thing.  It's certainly what I put my husband's considerable success at turning round T2 and its complications to.

    Going back to the original subject, it's sad how women (and the very occasional man) find themselves pressurised into such extreme reactions to their own appearance and self image.  
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    Post by Andy12345 Wed Feb 04 2015, 17:58

    Obsessed is what the lazy call the motivated Smile
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    Post by mo1905 Wed Feb 04 2015, 18:02

    I agree, I'm sure this is a mental illness. If she ( or others who suffer with this ) weren't skipping insulin, they may have made themselves sick or took laxatives or something. Apparently this diabulimia thing is quite a big problem, especially amongst young women.
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    Post by Andy12345 Wed Feb 04 2015, 18:23

    With the pressures young people seem to be under, you can kinda understand why they would take this option, it must seem like a an upside to all the crap young type ones have to endure

    Who at a young age thinks of consequences Sad
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    Post by mo1905 Wed Feb 04 2015, 18:31

    Andy12345 wrote:With the pressures young people seem to be under, you can kinda understand why they would take this option, it must seem like a an upside to all the crap young type ones have to endure

    Who at a young age thinks of consequences Sad

    Totally agree. My sister-in-law done this when she was younger. It never had a name then ( diabulimia ), she just experimented and realised that if she ate but never injected, she could easily control her weight. This was 25years ago. Not sure if it was that or not but she has very poor eyesight now and unable to drive. She's only 43.
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    Post by Andy12345 Wed Feb 04 2015, 18:33

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    Post by Jan1 Wed Feb 04 2015, 18:49

    mo1905 wrote:
    Andy12345 wrote:With the pressures young people seem to be under, you can kinda understand why they would take this option, it must seem like a an upside to all the crap young type ones have to endure

    Who at a young age thinks of consequences Sad

    Totally agree. My sister-in-law done this when she was younger. It never had a name then ( diabulimia ), she just experimented and realised that if she ate but never injected, she could easily control her weight. This was 25years ago. Not sure if it was that or not but she has very poor eyesight now and unable to drive. She's only 43.

    Young people do appear to be under so much more pressure these days. Peer pressure, media pressure ..... many seem so vunerable and struggle to keep strong minds and strong body. Guess there is no easy answer - but is that the right answer?

    I do think the young deserve more support than they are getting. Family must surely take some responsibility but there is more to this than just family .......

    All the best Jan
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    Post by Andy12345 Wed Feb 04 2015, 18:53

    With 14 and 12 year old girls I live in constant fear
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    Post by Jan1 Wed Feb 04 2015, 19:02

    Andy12345 wrote:With 14 and 12 year old girls I live in constant fear

    I agree it is not easy, and one other thing that 'frightens' or should I say worries me are the younger age groups that in some countries are 'encouraged' to take part in beauty contests .... but perhaps that's a different subject.

    Children are growing up more quickly it seems these days and that is not necessarily to their advantage. But the roundabout turns ever faster .......stop please ......some may want to get off and take a different direction ?

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    Post by j Wed Feb 04 2015, 21:27

    told to eat 'healthy carbs' = needs insulin = lays down fat= overweight..can't lose weight because of all the 'healthy carbs' and the body is in lay down fat mode.
    they need to be told about LCHF
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    Post by mo1905 Wed Feb 04 2015, 22:51

    I agree J, trouble is, it's difficult enough trying to persuade adults, let alone teenage girls who are desperate for a quick weight loss fix !
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    Post by AliB Thu Feb 05 2015, 15:39

    You know what's weird?  My glucose levels were well over 10 for quite a while, that's one of the reasons I was prescribed Byetta, because neither the Metformin nor insulin could get it much below 13, but the
    Byetta didn't deal with that either.

    I had IBD, raging restless legs and neuropathy amongst other things.  Within hours of dumping gluten, the IBS and stomach pains stopped, within a few weeks the restless legs and neuropathy went away.  Gradually the fungal issues I had had for years, long before I became diabetic, receded too.  

    Even though my blood sugars have still been quite a bit higher than I would like (between 7 & 10) ever since then, I have had no return of the neuropathy or restless legs or IBS, etc., neither have I had any thrush or fungal problems.

    That tells me there is something more at play than just higher sugar levels.  Whilst I still have some health problems, they are not now what would be classed as 'diabetic complications'.

    There are many people out there reversing obesity and a whole raft of health issues just by dumping grains (Wheat Belly etc.) and adopting a healthier diet.  They are still having carbs, but natural ones from starchy veg, fruit, nuts, etc., rather than grains.

    Dr. Fuhrman has reversed many cases of diabetes with his medium carb diet based on beans and pulses.  His viewpoint is about eating lots of veg, preferably greens, mixed cooked and raw, to give the body a high level of phytonutrients to help it heal.  That it isn't necessarily carbs, per se that are the problem, but the types of carb.

    The majority of grain-based carb food out there robs the body of far more than it gives.  That is where the problem lies.....it is rotting us all to death.....
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    Post by Jan1 Thu Feb 05 2015, 19:34

    j wrote:told to eat 'healthy carbs' = needs insulin = lays down fat= overweight..can't lose weight because of all the 'healthy carbs' and the body is in lay down fat mode.
    they need to be told about LCHF

    They do need to be told about LCHF and we are certainly doing our best. The word is slowly spreading ..... and we can each do a little something towards passing the good news on.

    Every post does help..... but education can be slow moving sunny

    All the best Jan
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    Post by Jan1 Thu Feb 05 2015, 19:41

    @AliB

    Glad to hear you have had no more occurrence of "neuropathy or restless legs or IBS, etc., neither have I had any thrush or fungal problems." and long may that remain.

    Alas I do not know enough about Dr Fuhrman to comment ..... but would just ask what amount of carbs per day does he recommend, does he recommend an amount? Of course carbs can be gained from all types of foods and I would choose certain non starchy vegetables as opposed to say white bread!

    Take Care and .......

    All the best Jan
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    Post by AliB Thu Feb 05 2015, 23:16

    What he's saying in his book (The End of Diabetes) is that beans contain so much resistant starch that very little gets absorbed as carbohydrate.  On food value lists they tend to be listed with higher amounts of carb, but in the body RS tends not to be absorbed but goes through to the colon intact where it becomes food for beneficial microbes that generate butyrate from it.  Butyrate is very beneficial.

    Beans and pulses contain protein, fibre, RS and some carbohydrate, but they also contain amylase inhibitors so the starch is less likely to be absorbed.  They are highly nutritious.

    His ideal diet for reversing diabetes contains green vegetables, raw and cooked, beans, peas and pulses, tomatoes, mushrooms, onions, aubergine, cauliflower, nuts, seeds, and low-sugar fruit like berries, kiwis, etc.

    Beans apparently help to lower glycolysis in the liver and gradually lower blood glucose levels.  He's not against animal products, but suggests lowering consumption to no more than one or two times a week, and then only small amounts of fish or chicken.  Oils and fats should be very limited, especially in those who need to lose weight, as that will force the body to burn its own fat stores.

    There seems to be little limitation on the amount of these foods, but the body seems to limit them naturally as satiety is reached easily on the high nutrition.

    I have been eating beans in different guises for about a week and have experienced little to no gas. :0)

    Mixed veg & bean curry with salad, bean chilli, curried snack beans, lentil soup, veggie soup, salads, smoothies, veg juices, socca, hummus with garlic, onion, spinach, etc.), black bean cocoa brownies, there's lots of options.

    I wasn't following it precisely so haven't acheived very good results, but hopefully now I can get on track.
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    Post by LowCarbDietitian Mon Feb 09 2015, 04:30

    Thanks for sharing this, Mo, and for everyone else for commenting. My heart goes out to people with Type 1 diabetes who struggle with weight gain, especially teens girls, who already have enough to contend with. I think I'll write a blog post about the many ways carb restriction could be beneficial for people suffering from this disorder.

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    Post by Eddie Mon Feb 09 2015, 13:27

    Not using insulin to lose or not gain weight is bad enough, but it gets even crazier.

    "Doctors believe that an increasing number of bodybuilders are putting themselves at risk by injecting themselves with insulin.

    The drug, normally given to diabetics to help control their blood sugar levels, is highly effective at helping bodybuilders boost their muscle mass.

    However, this comes at a price - careless use could cause a plummet in blood sugar levels which could leave the bodybuilder at risk of coma, or even death.

    Over the long term, the extra insulin could cause irreversible long-term damage. These people already have enough insulin. What they are doing is extremely risky

    Bodybuilders who use insulin could end up becoming diabetic themselves as their body's natural mechanism for producing the hormone stops working properly, warn experts.

    The problem was highlighted by Dr Richard Lynch, an A&E doctor from Pontefract General Infirmary in Yorkshire, who encountered a bodybuilder who was found unconscious at home.

    His symptoms matched those of a diabetic who had experienced "hypoglycaemia" - dangerously low blood sugar.

    Link to information http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/3123545.stm
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    Post by mo1905 Mon Feb 09 2015, 13:55

    So I'm now left wondering why I'm neither thin or have the physique of a bodybuilder lol !
    Seriously though, this just highlights more danger of insulin misuse. Strange really how bodybuilders spend untold hours in the gym creating a perfect body ( externally ) but have no issue with the damage it causes their insides ( insulin, steroids etc ).


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    Post by Paul1976 Mon Feb 09 2015, 14:41

    Jeez!! Imagine going hypo whilst benchpressing!!-Could well end up turning your Adams apple into apple sauce!! affraid No
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    Post by Eddie Mon Feb 09 2015, 15:02

    I have never known a woman who was attracted to this sort of grotesque physique.

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    This is my idea of physical perfection in a man and did not come about with steroid and insulin abuse I bet.

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    Post by zand Mon Feb 09 2015, 16:12

    Well the top photo is disgusting. The other one is much better, still slightly too muscly for my tastes though lol
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    Post by Jan1 Mon Feb 09 2015, 20:35

    Have to agree the top photo is YUCK ..... disgusting but the second picture is better.

    All the best Jan
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    Post by Jan1 Mon Feb 09 2015, 20:41

    .>.>.>.>.

    Anyway back to 'The Rise of Diabulimia' - do go and have a look at Franziska's (Low Carb Dietitian) excellent post on her blog:

    link here http://www.lowcarbdietitian.com/blog/diabulimia-reducing-risk-with-carbohydrate-restriction

    All the best Jan
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    Post by mo1905 Mon Feb 09 2015, 21:52

    Thanks for the link Jan. A great, well informed read.

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