eddie1 wrote: zand wrote:Well I'm out of this thread then. Sorry, this is playground bullying and I'm not gonna be part of it, I'll leave you 'men' to it.
No one on this forum is more valued than you. But hear me out. Douglas is one of a long line of DCUK members that talks complete and utter BS. He confuses newbies and confuses the issues. In a fair and honest world others could contradict him or question his posts, but as we have seen, they are often banned, or threatened with being banned, I believe you have been subjected to strong arm tactics yourself.
The DCUK forum is corrupt, the making of profit is the main objective as reported here on numerous occasions. Corruption is the reason countless diabetics die before their time. This forum is for freedom of speech. If it is legal, members can post what they like, a very long way from what the DCUK forum allows.
Since you have quoted me Eddie, I will answer you. I see three issues here.
Firstly, DCUK. Yes I'm 100% with you on this. My own warnings were for: Entering a discussion to belittle or discredit someone - I believe I was reported by someone else who also posted on that thread. This is ironic because the thread was started by Moose. The reason I posted on it was to save people like the ones who had already posted from wasting their time and advice (which in the case of the person who I suspect reported me, would have been 'see your doctor')
The other warning was for: Setting up an ‘us against them’ mentality. I posted on Annie's thread about how sorry I was that she was facing a possible type 2 diagnosis and said that I wouldn't bore her with what worked for me as I knew she didn't like LCHF and I hoped she would get lots of useful replies from non-LCHFers (note I did not say 'anti-LCHFers') The term non-LCHFers was deemed to be 'us and them'. Again my post was a genuine attempt to tell others, maybe new LCHFers, not to waste theirs and Annie's time with information that would not be welcomed. I said this out of respect for Annie too. The term 'non-LCHFers' was edited out of my post.
When I re-read my post I thought that maybe the last sentence could be seen as being derogatory to others, but that was left in by the mods! I removed it myself, not wanting to offend anyone. What I had written was:- "Of course I am hoping you don't follow the 'eat your carbs, take the drugs' route, I think you have more sense than that."
If everyone at DCUK received warnings for such mild offences as these, there would be no-one left to post and certainly no antis left there!
I like the freedom of speech here.
Secondly, Douglas. This is just my own opinion and my best guess at what has happened. I believe there are 2 or 3 men at DCUK whose diet was so very, very bad that they became diabetic through complete and utter negligence. Their pancreases always could tolerate a 'normal' diet but were tipped over the edge for a while by extreme eating. Now that they have lost weight and turned it around they appear to be able to eat a 'normal' diet again. But I don't believe this 'normal' diet was ever their diet before diagnosis. So when they say they can 'tolerate more carbs now', I believe that the carb figure they are consuming is still way below what they were having at diagnosis. So they 'appear to be cured'. However if they ever went back to their previous levels of carb consumption they would show diabetic readings again.
It is indeed confusing to newbies to hear their stories and to see them bragging about how much junk they can eat. In the past I have done my best to question his posts and contradict him for the sake of newbies, but I daren't get into an argument, because I know which one of us would be warned for it. Yes, of course it would be me - the one who actually cares about the other people who read the thread! It is also galling to read these stories of how easily the weight dropped off and how many carbs these people can tolerate.
Yes you are right to point out the pitfalls in the type of dietary advice that comes from Douglas and others. I myself have had a laugh about it along with the rest of you guys. I'll continue to do so, I see nothing wrong in that. We are after all a low carb forum. What I do think is wrong is to make fun of how a person looks and what they wear and what they do as a pastime. This is where I think we should draw the line. I'm simply expressing my opinion and if the rest of you don't agree with it, then of course you are free to carry on as you are.
On April 14th this year I got my husband to take photos of me. I was morbidly obese then. I looked awful (still do) and I'm sure you guys would enjoy a good laugh at my expense if I posted them. My 24 year old son advised me not to post them as he said I would be bullied if I did. I agreed to keep them as 'before' photos when I finally reach my target weight. I don't think I will ever be brave enough to post them now. I don't enjoy looking like this. My motivation was to show how LCHF has helped me, and to help others through telling my story. I wanted to start a thread similar to my DCUK one here. If I do it won't contain photos.
My son read this thread yesterday and was appalled by it. He said that people his age have far more respect than that shown here. We both know of someone who committed suicide because of internet bullying. Those bullies have to live with that knowledge for the rest of their lives.
Thirdly, newbies. I still don't think this sort of behaviour looks good to them.
You might be interested to know that my counselling session this week was mostly about me finding my voice. lol. I bet you all wish I hadn't bothered going to that one
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