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    Can You Delay Alzheimer Disease with Drugs for Diabetes?

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    Post by yoly Wed Nov 14 2018, 10:15

    (Or could be that on diabetics epidemiology metformin is used on less out of control diabetics)
    Can You Delay Alzheimer Disease with Drugs for Diabetes?

    https://www.peoplespharmacy.com/2018/11/08/can-you-delay-alzheimer-disease-with-drugs-for-diabetes/

    People with Alzheimer’s disease have distinctive lesions within their brains. Individuals with diabetes also have pathological changes resembling those seen in patients with Alzheimer’s disease. People with this type of dementia appear to have impaired brain insulin metabolism. Could drugs for diabetes help ward off

    Alzheimer’s disease?
    Using Drugs for Diabetes Against Dementia:

    Studies of human brain tissue after death offer interesting insight on gene expression related to Alzheimer’s disease (PLOS One, Nov. 1, 2018). Treatment with diabetes medicines like insulin and metformin mute these changes. People who took such medicines before they died seem to have fewer pathological changes in gene expression. Such alterations are normally seen with this kind of dementia.

    More than a decade ago, we interviewed Dr. Allen Roses, then VP of Genetics at GlaxoSmithKline. At that time, Dr. Roses was excited about the possibility that a compound similar to pioglitazone or other drugs for diabetes would prove helpful in delaying the onset of Alzheimer’s disease. Unfortunately, he died before that research could bear fruit.

    The current research suggests that he may have been looking in a promising direction, however. Drugs for diabetes may not only be beneficial for people with type 2 diabetes, but might also help those susceptible to Alzheimer’s disease.
    Epidemiology Suggests That Metformin Might Delay Dementia:

    Five years ago, researchers reported at the annual conference of the Alzheimer’s Association (AAIC, July 15, 2013) that they had found a link between treatment with metformin and a reduced risk of dementia.

    The investigators tracked nearly 15,000 patients with type 2 diabetes who started treatment between 1999 and 2001. The subjects had taken one of four possible drug types: metformin, sulfonylureas, thiazolidinediones (including pioglitazone) or insulin.

    Normally, type 2 diabetes itself increases the risk for dementia. But five years after starting on metformin, patients had reduced their likelihood of developing cognitive decline by at least 20% compared to patients taking other diabetes drugs.

    In contrast, the other medications, including insulin, were linked to an increased risk of dementia compared to metformin. This epidemiologic study may lead to clinical trials that should better assess the true benefit of metformin against dementia.
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    Post by graham64 Wed Nov 14 2018, 22:38

    yoly wrote:(Or could be that on diabetics epidemiology metformin is used on less out of control diabetics)
     
    Yes though metformin may be of help to those with blood glucose under control it has limited effects on BG and won't have much effect on those running high numbers cutting back on carbs is the answer

    More on  blood glucose and alzheimer’s

    Higher brain glucose levels may mean more severe Alzheimer’s

    https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/higher-brain-glucose-levels-may-mean-more-severe-alzheimers

    Also

    Glucose Levels and Risk of Dementia

    https://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMoa1215740
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    Post by chris c Wed Nov 14 2018, 22:56

    Probably also adding coconut oil, ketones appear to be helpful and especially the medium chain triglycerides
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    Post by Jan1 Fri Nov 16 2018, 11:02

    Thanks for the original post Yoly and for Graham's and Chris's thoughts and comments.

    Amy Berger - Tuit Nutrition Blog recently put an Alzheimer's post up

    www.tuitnutrition.com/2018/11/alzheimers-talk.html

    All the best Jan
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    Post by graham64 Fri Nov 16 2018, 22:17

    Jan1 wrote:Thanks for the original post Yoly and for Graham's and Chris's thoughts and comments.

    Amy Berger - Tuit Nutrition Blog recently put an Alzheimer's post up

    www.tuitnutrition.com/2018/11/alzheimers-talk.html

    All the best Jan

    I like Amy Berger her blog is always worth a read

    Georgia Ede did a good blog post a couple of years ago on Alzheimer's 

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201609/avoiding-alzheimer-s-disease-could-be-easier-you-think
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    Post by chris c Fri Nov 16 2018, 22:48

    Thanks for the Georgia Ede post, hadn't seen that one. Yes I read Amy Berger regularly, going there shortly.
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    Post by Jan1 Sat Nov 17 2018, 00:13

    graham64 wrote:
    Jan1 wrote:Thanks for the original post Yoly and for Graham's and Chris's thoughts and comments.

    Amy Berger - Tuit Nutrition Blog recently put an Alzheimer's post up

    www.tuitnutrition.com/2018/11/alzheimers-talk.html

    All the best Jan

    I like Amy Berger her blog is always worth a read

    Georgia Ede did a good blog post a couple of years ago on Alzheimer's 

    https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/diagnosis-diet/201609/avoiding-alzheimer-s-disease-could-be-easier-you-think

    Many thanks for the link to the Georgia Ede post -  a very good read Smile

    All the best Jan
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    Post by yoly Sun Nov 18 2018, 09:56

    Berberine can probably help also by various mechanism it reduce insulin resistance and blood sugar, plus. (All you can learn about berberine)
    https://examine.com/supplements/berberine/

    5.9. Alzheimer's Disease

    Berberine has been found to have inhibitory potential against Acetylcholinesterase (AChE) and butyrylcholinesterase (BChE) with IC50 values of 0.37-0.58uM for AChE[98][99][100] and 3.44uM for BChE.[98] A PANTHER analysis[101] (computer program) noted that another potential targets include Amyloid-β (A4) precursor protein[102] but that assigning Berberine's targets into known pathways yielded 11 targets in the Alzheimer disease-amyloid secretase pathway and 17 targets in the Alzheimer disease-presenilin pathway. [101]

    In vitro, Berberine can reduce β-Amyloid levels (APPNL-H4 cells) by 47.1+/-11.5% and 49.1+/-13.6% (Aβ40 and Aβ42, respectively) at 5uM with no further benefit at 50uM[102] possibly secondary to stimulating α-secretory activity (311.9+/-7.9% of control) and downregulating β-secretase (55.5+/-11.1%).[102] The downregulation of β-secretase appears to be secondary to ERK1/2 activation by Berberine.[103]

    May beneficially alter the content of β-Amyloid levels in isolated neurons, which is thought to be therapeutic for Alzheimer's Disease. May also have pro-cholinergic effects via enzyme inhibition (also thought to be therapeutic) at a potency that might be relevant in vivo

    Another possibly useful is agmatine related to arginine.
    (Complete study on links)
    Agmatine Improves Cognitive Dysfunction and Prevents Cell Death in a Streptozotocin-Induced Alzheimer Rat Model

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3990080/

    Results

    Agm suppressed the accumulation of amyloid beta and enhanced insulin signal transduction in STZ-induced Alzheimer rats [experimetal control (EC) group]. Upon evaluation of cognitive function by Morris water maze testing, significant improvement of learning and memory dysfunction in the STZ-Agm group was observed compared with the EC group. Western blot results revealed significant attenuation of the protein expressions of cleaved caspase-3 and Bax, as well as increases in the protein expressions of Bcl2, PI3K, Nrf2, and γ-glutamyl cysteine synthetase, in the STZ-Agm group.
    Conclusion

    Our results showed that Agm is involved in the activation of antioxidant signaling pathways and activation of insulin signal transduction. Accordingly, Agm may be a promising therapeutic agent for improving cognitive decline and attenuating apoptosis in AD.

    (complete study on link) (Ignore the nonsense of high fat diet there are rats!)

    Agmatine ameliorates type 2 diabetes induced-Alzheimer's disease-like alterations in high-fat diet-fed mice via reactivation of blunted insulin signalling

    https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S002839081630483X?via%3Dihub

    Highlights



    HFD induces both peripheral insulin resistance and neuronal insulin resistance.


    HFD evokes Alzheimer's disease like alterations; accumulation of Aβ, p-tau, impairment of cognition.


    AGM rescues HFD induced insulin resistance.


    AGM retrieves blunted brain insulin signalling and reduces Aβ, p-tau.


    AGM improves learning and memory functions in HFD mice.

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    Post by chris c Sun Nov 18 2018, 22:50

    I seem to remember a few people who couldn't tolerate metformin using Berberine.

    Anything on Alpha-Lipoic Acid? That's another one, which I tried, that reduces IR. I found it knocked my BG down by about 0.5 fasting and another 0.5 postprandial but it was expensive so I didn't bother with it after that. Better to spend the money on meat.

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