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    Overtreating Diabetes Can Have Serious Consequences, Experts Warn

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    Post by graham64 Mon Jun 06 2016, 23:20

    Too-low blood sugar can cause hypoglycemia, fainting, comas and seizures

    With type-2 diabetes, it’s important to keep blood sugar under control, but there’s also a danger in using too many drugs to bring levels to unhealthy lows, says Dr. Rozalina McCoy, from the Mayo Clinic.

    McCoy and her colleagues report in JAMA Internal Medicine about a study of more than 31,000 adults with type 2 diabetes. They analyzed those who were treated aggressively to see how often they experienced dangerously low levels of blood sugar requiring hospitalization or other medical care. They considered aggressive treatment any case in which people were taking multiple medications to keep their blood sugar levels down.

    About 20% of the people in the study fit this category, and such aggressive treatment, says McCoy, might have actually done them more harm than good. For people who are older and have other health problems, aggressive treatment of their diabetes led to a complications including dizziness, fainting and in sever cases, seizures and coma.

    “Our goal in managing diabetes is to really get people’s blood sugar into a safe, normal range. Which means not too high—but it also means not be too low,” says McCoy. “And this applies to many people, not just the people in the study.”

    While the risk was highest for people who are older and those with other health problems, McCoy says there is a lesson for everyone with diabetes, and for the doctors who treat them. “In an effort to reduce undertreatment, and to make sure patients are tested and receive the appropriate treatment medications, we don’t have a counterbalance to ensure that patients are not over treated.”

    She points to several factors in the aggressive over treatment, the most important of which are guidelines and recommendations that focus on reducing blood sugar without a companion emphasis on warning against what levels can be too low. The long-term health dangers to high blood sugar include damage to the kidneys, eyes and risk of amputation. The harms of low blood sugar are more immediate, and should also be part of any doctor’s treatment of people with diabetes, McCoy says.

    She hopes the results of the study serve as a lesson for all doctors, not just those who treat people with diabetes. “The same principle applies to many chronic diseases,” she says. “We may hurt patients in our desire to help them if we do too much.”

    http://time.com/4357333/diabetes-treatment-side-effects-hypoglycemia/?

    Not a problem for low carbers like us no need for multiple meds, however for those poor souls putting their faith in the official guidelines based on the Eat Well guide and endorsed by the BDA, DUK and the NHS they are indeed at risks from over medication

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    Post by chris c Wed Jun 08 2016, 18:43

    I can see the point, this is probably what happened in trials like ACCORD where they used heroic amounts of medication on top of a high carb diet. However I used to get hypos on a regular basis just from my "low fat" diet. Now I eat far fewer carbs and never do. The lack of carb stops the BG spikes, which stops the subsequent insulin spikes, which stops the hypos. 

    Those breakfasts would have my BG through the floor a few hours later even without any drugs. That's after it went up to damaging levels first of course. But that's OK, the spikes and lows cancel out and don't show in the A1c, which I have been told is "the only thing that matters".

    Actually there's been a lot of research into the effects of widely varying BG levels, none of it good.
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    Post by graham64 Thu Jun 09 2016, 22:27

    chris c wrote:I can see the point, this is probably what happened in trials like ACCORD where they used heroic amounts of medication on top of a high carb diet. However I used to get hypos on a regular basis just from my "low fat" diet. Now I eat far fewer carbs and never do. The lack of carb stops the BG spikes, which stops the subsequent insulin spikes, which stops the hypos. 

    Those breakfasts would have my BG through the floor a few hours later even without any drugs. That's after it went up to damaging levels first of course. But that's OK, the spikes and lows cancel out and don't show in the A1c, which I have been told is "the only thing that matters".

    Actually there's been a lot of research into the effects of widely varying BG levels, none of it good.

    They've learned nothing from the ACCORD  trial if this latest RCT is anything to go by

    Effect of Adding Liraglutide vs Placebo to a High-Dose lnsulin Regimen in Patients With Type 2 Diabetes


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    Post by chris c Sat Jun 11 2016, 17:41

    They've learned to make money.
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    Post by yoly Sat Jun 11 2016, 19:22

    The lesson of ACCORD is that well establish diabetes even with strong medications is impossible to control if you don't reduce your input of carbs in your diet. Many of does that did worst even on the high intensity treatments weren't able to control their diabetic numbers. And that all medications have side effects and in some they may do more harm than good. But you got to be careful with what some studies and doctors call hypoglycemia, they don't want diabetics with normal blood sugar. Anything in the normal range and they panic they want diabetics with diabetic numbers. They are doing a lot of harm frighting diabetics with the risk of hypoglycemia.
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    Post by graham64 Sat Jun 11 2016, 23:39

    yoly wrote:The lesson of ACCORD is that well establish diabetes even with strong medications is impossible to control if you don't reduce your input of carbs in your diet. Many of does that did worst even on the high intensity treatments weren't able to control their diabetic numbers. And that all medications have side effects and in some they may do more harm than good. But you got to be careful with what some studies and doctors call hypoglycemia, they don't want diabetics with normal blood sugar. Anything in the normal range and they panic they want diabetics with diabetic numbers. They are doing a lot of harm frighting diabetics with the risk of hypoglycemia.

    Yep I've noted a lot of type two's on the DCUK forum who despite being diet only controlled are fearful of hypos which they define as < 4.0 mmol/L, the likelihood of a bog standard T2 having a debilitating hypo is virtually non existent yet the myth exists to the extent some are overtreating low blood sugar with hypostop and the like

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    Post by chris c Tue Jun 14 2016, 23:25

    I've heard of not a few diabetics in hospital being put on a glucose drip and a Sliding Scale of insulin and having their BG kept over 8 at all times. And the tales of diabetics of all kinds being told their A1c is "too low and you must be having lots of hypos" are legion.

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