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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Tue Oct 16 2018, 22:07

    @chris c wrote:Pity the BDA didn't do anything to improve his health previously. Or that of all the other obese, diabetic and otherwise metabolically challenged people that never used to exist in such numbers.

    Maybe cos they are to busy eating cake 



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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Wed Oct 17 2018, 23:38

    I remember a friend up in Scotland who went to a diabetes group when first diagnosed. He never went again because they spent all their times talking about cake. Meanwhile he went low carb and reversed just about everything.

    On the other hand

    https://twitter.com/KetoDocCLT/status/1047119166963163136

    Harvard again

    https://twitter.com/bschermd/status/1048578028949856258

    https://twitter.com/DrAseemMalhotra/status/1046280549164347393

    https://twitter.com/jeandpalmer/status/1046279627403137024

    fx: bangs head on desk and yells MAKE IT STOP

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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Mon Oct 22 2018, 22:52

    It's not all that long ago the BDA along with others were promoting healthy margarine's and low fat spreads containing industrial trans fats, retweeted by two carboholics Collins and Cashin

     

    Collins gives a thanks to Snowdon a member of the IEA Rolling Eyes  with friends like that who needs enemies 



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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Mon Oct 22 2018, 23:04

    Yeah they have made such a huge impact on public health haven't they? I remember when I was young and everyone was fat and diabetic and otherwise ill. Now thanks to dieticians everyone is slim fit and healthy. Oh wait . . .

    https://twitter.com/drjamesdinic/status/1052857308718477313

    the vegans are out in full force

    https://twitter.com/fleroy1974/status/1053398265817894914

    fascinating stuff, thread still running
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Thu Nov 01 2018, 22:48

    Effectiveness of plant-based diets in
    promoting well-being in the
    management of type 2 diabetes: a
    systematic review

    https://drc.bmj.com/content/bmjdrc/6/1/e000534.full.pdf

    The results are abysmal, just slightly less abysmal than "standard care"

    This is part of the ongoing fightback against VIRTA and all the other results which show huge reductions in HbA1c, reductions in medications, massive weight loss, etc. It doesn't look like meat is responsible for diabetes but let's claim it is and get on the front page of the Guardian.

    meanwhile

    https://twitter.com/TheNotDoc/status/1029031688058228737


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Fri Nov 02 2018, 22:32

    Yes I think the reduction in A1c amounted to an underwhelming 0.55 fat lot of use to those diagnosed with high A1c's


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Sun Nov 04 2018, 23:12

    The ADA could have studied some of the denizens of their forum who routinely made 5 - 8% reductions in A1c and sometimes as much as 13%, yes from 18 to 5. But they chose not to, for nearly two decades now. I wonder why that could be

    http://www.diabetes.org/pathway/supporters/corporate-sponsors.html
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Wed Nov 07 2018, 22:29

    Milk and Cereal In The Morning Can Help With Managing Diabetes, Study Says

    A new study says milk when consumed with breakfast cereal may provide benefits for those managing diabetes.

    A well-balanced breakfast of carbohydrates, protein and fats is considered key to starting the day.

    “It’s important to include milk,” said Marisa Aguillon, a dietitian and a certified diabetes educator with Parkland Hospital System. “We tend to want to stay away because it’s high in carbohydrates. Carbohydrates tend to raise our blood sugar, so it’s important that we kind of be aware of how many portions we’re having of milk.”

    http://www.keranews.org/post/milk-and-cereal-morning-can-help-managing-diabetes-study-says

    Yet another dietitian trying to kill us  Sad


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by Long birder on Thu Nov 08 2018, 15:27

    They announced on R4 today diabetes in the UK is now costing a billion pounds a year!
    Some of these PHE people must be invested in big pharma or have refined carbs as grey matter.
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Thu Nov 08 2018, 23:58

    @graham64 wrote:

    Yet another dietitian trying to kill us  Sad

    Just like my (and most other people's) "diabetic diet" leaflet

    breakfast

    a bowl of oatmeal with low fat milk and a banana

    a slice of toast with low fat spread and no-sugar-added marmalade

    a glass of orange juice

    Today I had a thickly buttered oatcake with turkey (with salt and fresh ground black pepper) and a couple of cups of coffee, then I didn't need to eat for about 8 hours, because I was still metabolising the food from yesterday's meal. Imagine that!


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Fri Nov 09 2018, 23:18

    You could add this DUK breakfast recipe too and only 63.3g carbs yummy  bitenails

    Toasted bagels topped with fat-free cream cheese, grilled tomatoes and shredded leeks.

    https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/recipes/tomato-bagels


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by Jan1 on Sat Nov 10 2018, 15:21

    @graham64 wrote:You could add this DUK breakfast recipe too and only 63.3g carbs yummy  bitenails

    Toasted bagels topped with fat-free cream cheese, grilled tomatoes and shredded leeks.

    https://www.diabetes.org.uk/guide-to-diabetes/recipes/tomato-bagels


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    This is so much better

    Low Carb Pizza Bagels - made with cauliflower

    Find the recipe and details on the Cauliflower Thread here

    http://lowcarbdiabetic.forumotion.co.uk/t199p75-cauliflowers

    All the best Jan
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Sun Nov 11 2018, 22:27

    But the DUK recipe is low fat Jan obviously must be more healthy for us just need to increase the meds to cover the carbs  Shocked


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Sun Nov 11 2018, 23:01

    Oh good grief!!! I can just about get away with 10g carbs at breakfast, I could probably do that in the evening but why would I want to?

    I cheated a bit yesterday, I stir-fried some bacon, mushrooms, multicoloured peppers and chillies, garlic, olives and chicken in EVOO then simmered them with turmeric, cumin, coriander, cayenne cardamom and a splash of toasted sesame oil. I used some basmati rice to soak up all the juices. Not much, I probably get through a kilo of rice and half that of quinoa in a year and curiously I'm still not dead.
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Mon Nov 19 2018, 22:43

    Read and weep

    How to make snacks more interesting

    Diabetes UK suggests trying the following ideas:

    Use different types of bread to make snacks. Try pittas stuffed with fillings such as chicken tikka, yoghurt and salad. Or ciabatta or focaccia with mozzarella, tomato and pesto.

    Toast a teacake and top with sliced banana. Drizzle with a little maple syrup if you like.

    Smoothies or milkshakes are simple and delicious. Just mix milk, a fruit of your choice and a few ice-cubes. Pour into a glass and enjoy.

    Pop your own corn. Flavour with salt and pepper, a little sugar, a sprinkle of paprika or even a little finely grated parmesan.
    Noodles. Make up a 100 g pack of noodles, then add some other bits like spring onions, chopped ham or tuna.

    If you can keep a broad range of snack 'ingredients' in your fridge and store cupboard then you should be able to create snacks that appeal to you out of your weekly shop.

    [url=https://patient.info/health/diabetes-mellitus-leaflet/features/how-to-snack-when-you-have-diabetes?utm_source=PA_Newsletter&utm_campaign=118160_PA Newsletter 7th edition]https://patient.info/health/diabetes-mellitus-leaflet/features/how-to-snack-when-you-have-diabetes?utm_source=PA_Newsletter&utm_campaign=118160_PA%20Newsletter%207th%20edition%20A&utm_medium=email&utm_content=how-to-snack-when-you-have-diabetes&dm_i=4Q86,2J68,16IVZV,7V80,1[/url]


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Tue Nov 20 2018, 23:05

    OTOH if you eat proper meals why would you need to snack? Well sometimes I eat various nuts, a thickly buttered oatcake or two with cheese, smoked salmon or turkey etc. but mostly to replace a full meal, not every couple of hours.

    It's not going away any time soon

    https://twitter.com/KetoHiking/status/1063269037528932352

    https://twitter.com/LCHF_TOOLBOX/status/1058144613578534913

    https://twitter.com/SBakerMD/status/1058065953697685504
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Thu Nov 29 2018, 21:59

    DUK's twitter thread announcing the tie up with Britvic and having to try and defend it after an onslaught of critical responses  Laughing

    https://twitter.com/DiabetesUK/status/1065177825920131072


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    Post by chris c on Thu Nov 29 2018, 23:06

    Hahahahaha I saw the beginning of the thread but didn't go back to see how long it was.

    Another

    https://twitter.com/JonUngoedThomas/status/1066603275749900288

    and another

    https://twitter.com/alicemeallan/status/1065969994499014656

    Here's Catherine Clueless

    https://twitter.com/RD_Catherine/status/1049265035699257347

    the original thread is also worth a read

    https://twitter.com/KenDBerryMD/status/1061311765697454081

    Still more stupidity

    https://twitter.com/HelenlouWest/status/1065230936055455744

    she's trying about as hard as a dietician can and is being trolled for her pains

    https://twitter.com/bulkbiker/status/1066003256357339136

    Wonderfully polite Canadian put-down from Jim Johnson

    https://twitter.com/JimJohnsonSci/status/1055243393847058433
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Tue Dec 04 2018, 22:44

    Got to admire Helen West for her determination to present a caring side of dietitians (a rarity) and prepared to consider low carb for diabetics


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Thu Dec 06 2018, 00:11

    Yes a few of them are coming out with the line that actually they never condemned low carb diets. Which is rather spoiled by all their colleagues condemning low carb diets.

    Even Duane Mellor has admitted that low carb diets for diabetes may not be so bad. But then I saw the DUK on the BBC pushing the starvation diet of chemical shakes. Yes like that's going to save the NHS lots of money compared to telling people to eat meat and vegetables eh?

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