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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Thu Aug 30 2018, 23:17

    Magnificent rant from Melanie

    https://twitter.com/WeDietitians/status/1033169414034579456

    I loved Richard Feinman's line on Walt allet

    He may look like Wyatt Earp but he's no straight shooter
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Mon Sep 03 2018, 22:40

    By our old friend Duane Mellor  Rolling Eyes and why diabetics like me don't take him seriously 

    Dietitians like me don’t take the Pioppi Diet seriously

    https://health.spectator.co.uk/dietitians-like-me-dont-take-the-pioppi-diet-seriously/

    Doesn't do himself any favours by citing an article by Christopher Snowdon


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Thu Sep 06 2018, 22:41

    Don't mean to be fat shaming but it looks like Duane has been overdoing those wholegrains  Shocked



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    Post by chris c on Thu Sep 06 2018, 23:53

    Isn't that Giles "I'm not diabetic I just have glucose spikes" Yeo?

    My lightbulb started sputtering and then died. I called it Duane Mellor. Really these people do themselves less and less favours as time passes. The true fad diet is the low fat one started a few decades ago, since when population health went to hell in a handbasket.

    This was entertaining

    https://varputavi.wordpress.com/2010/12/21/fat-is-not-the-problem-says-dr-walter-willett/

    Since then Walt Wallet and Frank Hunilever were reminded where Harvard's money comes from and have backpedalled ever since.

    https://twitter.com/TheNotDoc/status/1017991524779323393

    meanwhile

    https://twitter.com/jonnybowden/status/1015763024232132608

    https://twitter.com/DiscoStew66/status/1023015991331045376

    https://twitter.com/BrianLenzkes/status/1020396736051752961

    We have been led away from what we once knew
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Sat Sep 08 2018, 22:40

    @chris c wrote:Isn't that Giles "I'm not diabetic I just have glucose spikes" Yeo?

    Yes that's the one he appeared alongside Duane on the BBC programme Trust Me I'm a Doctor 

    In this programme, Michael Mosley finds out how learning a new language can help stave off dementia. Giles Yeo goes vegan for a month to test whether it makes him healthier. Gabriel Weston asks whether you can get drunk on boozy food. Zoe Williams looks at what you can do to improve your health if you are living with heart disease. Alain Gregoire discovers how to protect your teeth from a hidden danger.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0bjj24p


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Thu Sep 13 2018, 22:23

    And definitely don't trust this dietitian especially if your a diabetic  Evil or Very Mad


    Obviously hasn't a clue about the effects of bananas or other carbs for that matter on blood sugars in a T2 or she's got vested interests in big pharma £££££££££££. 




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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Fri Sep 14 2018, 23:34

    I can't even be in the same room as a banana without my glucose spiking. Probably the same would happen if I was in the same room as Catherine Collins.

    This is a bit interesting

    The carnivore connection: dietary carbohydrate
    in the evolution of NIDDM

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/BF00399803

    Jennie Brand Miller, back in the day before her brain was removed and replaced by money.

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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by Long birder on Sat Sep 15 2018, 19:01

    Hi Chris, If that is true, sapiens must have got the genes from Neanderthals, who had been out of Africa for 100,000s of years.
    South Africans of African heritage seem to have problems with carbs, probably worse than former Europeans, which doesn't fit the theory.
    This suggestion seems somewhat implausible to me.
    From what I gather there have been many ice ages and interglacials in the last million years, very roughly it is 100,000 year cycle.
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    Post by chris c on Tue Sep 18 2018, 23:32

    It seems that the longer populations have had agriculture the fewer problems they have with carbs. Much the same for populations who have lost lactose intolerance over time. I suspect current policy is to eliminate individuals who have a high genetic propensity for insulin resistance, even if that is the majority of the population.

    I also suspect the elephant in the room is not just grains, and especially wheat, but the huge overdose of omega 6 seed oils, which other high carb populations have not been subjected to until recently.

    Yet another doctor comes on board

    https://twitter.com/Alimacj/status/1039813726894022656

    but on the other hand

    https://twitter.com/ProfTimNoakes/status/1020963754023038977

    https://twitter.com/kevinnbass/status/1021481882746281984
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Thu Sep 20 2018, 23:09

    Catherine Collins it seems is not impressed by Tom Watson inappropriately reversing his diabetes and losing loads of weight by going low carb maybe it's because no dietitians were consulted  Rolling Eyes 

    https://twitter.com/RD_Catherine/status/1042319842521493504


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    Post by chris c on Fri Sep 21 2018, 22:17

    To call that journo a fuckwit would be unfair to fuckwits. He sounds like a poorly disguised Snowdon or Angry Chef

    Then there's this

    https://twitter.com/SamirMadi01/status/1013686592853037056
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Sun Sep 23 2018, 22:41

    @chris c wrote:To call that journo a fuckwit would be unfair to fuckwits. He sounds like a poorly disguised Snowdon or Angry Chef

    Then there's this

    https://twitter.com/SamirMadi01/status/1013686592853037056

    Talking of Snowdon Collins is scraping the bottom of the barrel by retweeting this 

    https://twitter.com/cjsnowdon/status/1043950884189802496

    And she reckons the PHE are experts

    https://twitter.com/RD_Catherine/status/1043770590639935490

    Then she's spouting here about the cult of low carb

    https://www.foodmanufacture.co.uk/Article/2018/09/21/Low-carb-diet-warning-backed-by-nutritionists?utm_source=RSS_Feed&utm_medium=RSS&utm_campaign=RSS

    Desperate measures  Rolling Eyes


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Tue Sep 25 2018, 22:12

    This is supposedly in defence of carbs, we know carbs aren't essential, fat and protein are but not in isolation from each other

    The health benefits of eating carbs

    Agans and colleagues designed an artificial intestine, or human gut simulator, whose main purpose was to simulate the environment found inside the human colon.

    The researchers used fecal samples from donors to recreate this bacterial environment and added nutrients first from a balanced Western diet, and then from a no-carb, no-protein diet made exclusively of fats.

    Then, they applied a range of cutting-edge technologies to examine and measure the composition of metabolites resulting from changing the nutrients

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/323171.php

    The PDF is available

    https://aem.asm.org/content/aem/early/2018/08/27/AEM.01525-18.full.pdf?ijkey=700xBJUmZoBYg&keytype=ref&siteid=asmjournals


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Wed Sep 26 2018, 23:37

    No shit! Hahahahaha

    Seriously the divide between science and dogma is widening (and so is the population) and the more people see through the bollocks and improve their health the more desperate they get. Aseem is under attack right left and centre now because of Tom Watson. SADly Corbyn has gone from vegetarian to vegan.

    Meanwhile I don't know if this is a last blast from Jeremy Rhyming-Slang or if Matt Hancock is determined to outdo him

    https://twitter.com/doctor_oxford/status/1043037013329424384
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Thu Sep 27 2018, 22:49

    Yes I've seen all the vitriol aimed at Aseem they can't replicate his success with Tom Watson so they resort to personal remarks, a sign of desperation in a attempt to discredit low carb

    Then there's this from a GP

    We can’t base public health policy on one MP’s experience

    http://www.pulsetoday.co.uk/views/blogs/we-cant-base-public-health-policy-on-one-mps-experience/20037503.article

    Meanwhile yet another low carb success

    ‘I shed seven stone and reversed my diabetes through a low carb diet’

    Yvonne Lane has avoided needing to take medication to control her blood sugar levels – by following a similar diet to Labour's Tom Watson



    Douglas Twenefour is not impressed

    Douglas Twenefour, clinical adviser from the charity Diabetes UK, says: “When considering a low-carbohydrate diet as an option, people with diabetes should be made aware of possible side effects such as the risk of hypoglycaemia (low blood sugar). We also advise that people with diabetes discuss the amount of carbohydrate to be restricted with their healthcare team. “The best way to manage diabetes is by taking prescribed medications and by maintaining a healthy lifestyle that includes plenty of physical activity and a balanced diet that is low in saturated fat, salt and sugar and rich in fruit and vegetables, without completely cutting out any particular food groups.”

    https://inews.co.uk/inews-lifestyle/people/low-carb-keto-diet-weight-loss-reverse-diabetes/


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    Post by chris c on Fri Sep 28 2018, 23:45

    Evidence based my arse. Since well controlled diabetics are routinely excluded from studies there is no "evidence". Well except for Virta and a few other studies which are discounted for various reasons.

    The ADA could have started studying the successful diabetics in their forum and by now could have nearly two decades of observation of thousands of subjects. But they didn't.

    Here's the smirking ape Nunan and his chums

    https://twitter.com/dnunan79/status/1037389383555592193

    here's their article

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1136/bjsports-2018-099799

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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Sun Sep 30 2018, 21:55

    Remission of Human Type 2 Diabetes Requires
    Decrease in Liver and Pancreas Fat Content but Is
    Dependent upon Capacity for b Cell Recovery

    http://sci-hub.tw/https://linkinghub.elsevier.com/retrieve/pii/S1550413118304467

    Roy Taylor's latest opus.

    I might have blinked and missed it but I don't think I saw a single reference to carbohydrate anywhere in this paper.

    There's little doubt starving people on chemical shakes works but as has been pointed out a starvation ration of a high carb diet is actually low carb. With genuine low carb you don't need to starve to get the same result.

    The government is behind this treatment despite the obvious cost to the NHS, would be interesting to see who has shares in the slime maunfacturer.

    Another though, look at photos of Taylor and he appears to suffer from Vegan Neck. I can't remember who first pointed this syndrome out, on Twitter, but once seen you can't unsee it. This might explain why he steers clear of noticing or writing about carbs.
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Sun Sep 30 2018, 22:05

    Meanwhile Cashin gets called a plonker  Laughing




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    Post by chris c on Tue Oct 02 2018, 23:06

    Hahahaha I remember that Ivor Cummins quote.

    Meanwhile

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1002/clc.23047

    the main author has been done for clinical fraud and one of the others is vegan, and it's financed by Kelloggs aka the SDA

    https://twitter.com/MacroFour/status/1046040589240799233

    https://twitter.com/puddleg/status/1046132306325331968

    Low-carbohydrate diets for overweight and obesity: a
    systematic review of the systematic reviews

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1111/obr.12744

    a new kid on the block

    Low-density lipoproteins cause atherosclerotic cardiovascular disease. 1. Evidence from genetic, epidemiologic, and clinical studies. A consensus statement from the European Atherosclerosis Society Consensus Panel

    https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/38/32/2459/3745109

    the Conflict Of Interest is the best part, plus one of the authors failed to declare he is vegan

    this stuff will run and run

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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Thu Oct 04 2018, 23:02

    Wow I see what you mean about COI's  Shocked Shocked Shocked


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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Thu Oct 04 2018, 23:28

    Why bother will low carb when you can treat diabetes the pharmaceutical way with the DUK expert patient for NICE

    Living with Type 2 Diabetes: Patient Commentary in Response to the Paper ‘SGLT2 Inhibitors in Type 2 Diabetes Management: Key Evidence and Implications for Clinical Practice’

    https://rd.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs13300-018-0494-1


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    Post by chris c on Sun Oct 07 2018, 23:29

    So far so good, he hasn't needed any amputations or had his genitals eaten by bacteria, YET.

    On the other hand none of us need to piss away the excess glucose because we no longer have any.

    meanwhile

    https://twitter.com/LizKershawDJ/status/1004972010873769984

    https://twitter.com/DrDuaneRD/status/1014176846450188288

    https://twitter.com/RD_Catherine/status/1031133288168148993

    https://twitter.com/DietitianClaire/status/1036232867406401536

    https://twitter.com/MikeCarrato/status/1036241569672843264

    Meanwhile on another Twitter far far away

    https://twitter.com/lowcarbGP/status/1016327506977284096

    plus ongoing thousands more "just anecdotes"
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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by graham64 on Thu Oct 11 2018, 22:39

    After losing seven stone and reversing his T2 diabetes thanks to advice from Aseem Malhotra Tom Watson has set up a commission  to address obesity and type 2 diabetes, the BDA has now offered to get in touch with him to offer their assistance  Rolling Eyes





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    Re: You Couldn't Make This Up

    Post by chris c on Mon Oct 15 2018, 00:29

    Pity the BDA didn't do anything to improve his health previously. Or that of all the other obese, diabetic and otherwise metabolically challenged people that never used to exist in such numbers.

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