BG rise/fall questions

Sorry no. I don't read sites like this any more as most of them seem to be cranks. I will look at this one though as you are recommending it.

Do you think after all the combined years the members here have we would be recommending cranks to people? Give us some credit, we may not know all the answers, but we certainly know who to keep away from.

What is a Normal Blood Sugar? http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/16422495.php

Loose Cannon wrote:Do you think after all the combined years the members here have we would be recommending cranks to people? Give us some credit, we may not know all the answers, but we certainly know who to keep away from.

What is a Normal Blood Sugar?    http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/16422495.php

Bear in mind the last forum I was on.

Well gotta agree that there sure are some cranks over at the DCUK forum!

beardie wrote:

Loose Cannon wrote:Do you think after all the combined years the members here have we would be recommending cranks to people? Give us some credit, we may not know all the answers, but we certainly know who to keep away from.

What is a Normal Blood Sugar?    http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/16422495.php

Bear in mind the last forum I was on.

These are our only rules here Beardie.

"We welcome all and encourage robust debate on any subject. We detest censorship, but please note ! we will not tolerate racial, religious hatred, homophobic, and overtly sexist posts of any kind. Any posts of this nature will be deleted and a warning issued, on subsequent events permanent banning will take place. Please keep posts and comments legal, and please remember, children may read this forum. Thank you."

That's all we need, If a member steps out of line, but stays within the above rules, just about every member is more than capable of putting the offender straight. Why there is so much grief on some forums is way beyond me.

Yep,love the basic rules here,they've served us well from the outset and they allow the forum to flow-like a forum should do without any 'Dinner ladies' stepping in every 5 minutes to chastise us like 6 year old kids!

If you look back through history, the first thing a totalitarian despotic Government does is stifle freedom of speech. There can be no better example than Hitler's Germany. This lead to WW2 and the destruction of over 50 million people. This chilling quote from one of the most evil men that ever lived.

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Joseph Goebbels

beardie wrote:

Loose Cannon wrote:Do you think after all the combined years the members here have we would be recommending cranks to people? Give us some credit, we may not know all the answers, but we certainly know who to keep away from.

What is a Normal Blood Sugar?    http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/16422495.php

Bear in mind the last forum I was on.

Yep, I see your point Beardie ! Regarding qualifications, I wouldn't place too much importance on them. The best advice is from the average Joe like yourself and me !

Loose Cannon wrote:

beardie wrote:

Loose Cannon wrote:Do you think after all the combined years the members here have we would be recommending cranks to people? Give us some credit, we may not know all the answers, but we certainly know who to keep away from.

What is a Normal Blood Sugar?    http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/16422495.php

Bear in mind the last forum I was on.

These are our only rules here Beardie.

"We welcome all and encourage robust debate on any subject. We detest censorship, but please note ! we will not tolerate racial, religious hatred, homophobic, and overtly sexist posts of any kind. Any posts of this nature will be deleted and a warning issued, on subsequent events permanent banning will take place. Please keep posts and comments legal, and please remember, children may read this forum. Thank you."

That's all we need, If a member steps out of line, but stays within the above rules, just about every member is more than capable of putting the offender straight. Why there is so much grief on some forums is way beyond me.

Are you an administrator here Loose Cannon? I am not familiar with the hierarchy yet.

Beardie, the moderators are myself and Paul. Mr Cannon is a regular poster, long time member and legend :-)

Thanks Mo. I am easily confused.

beardie wrote:Thanks Mo. I am easily confused.

Me too Beardie :-)

I am sure I could beat you any time with confusion.

beardie wrote:I am sure I could beat you any time with confusion.

Wish I had your positivity :-)

Sorry I am positively confused

Every time someone quotes the Christiansen study ( the one used by Jenny Ruhl in her article on "What is a Normal Blood Sugar": http://www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/16422495.php ) at the flog, Phoenix posts other studies on the same subject. I admit, I haven't really delved into the subject in any great depth, but the anecdotal evidence from people on forums who have tested friends, spouses, relatives, etc. seem to bear out Jenny's conclusions.

If I get time, I'll try and find the studies that Phoenix references and post them here.

Isn't also a reading of 14.0 for 2 random BG readings also considered a definitive diagnosis for Type 2? or am I recollecting wrongly?

Hi Jill!

Reading the Phlaunt site it's 2 random readings of 11 mmol or above that are definitive of DM,about the same criteria as a @2 hrs venous reading after an OGTT test.

Thanks Paul

One of the studies quoted by Phoenix: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892065/?report=reader

I'm still not interested in spending extended periods of time above 7.8.

Thanks Indy.
I try not to go above 7.8 at all.

That's all any of us can strive to do,we may have 'Blips' where we don't achieve that but if we can for 99% of the time-We're doing alright I reckon!

Many of my non diabetic friends and relatives are often higher after a meal than I am. (they ask me to test them) Obviously I don't eat the same as they do.

beardie wrote:Many of my non diabetic friends and relatives are often higher after a meal than I am.  (they ask me to test them) Obviously I don't eat the same as they do.

High BG levels after a meal is normal for diabetics and non-diabetics. Difference is, non-diabetics will soon be back in normal range without meds.

I did post a study up on the blog about the dangers of high post prandial BG levels in non diabetics. Will see if I can find it and post it here.

Non -diabetics are at risk for heart disease with slightly elevated BG levels, that being the case then all the more reason for us as diabetics to keep our levels down.

Heart Disease Risk Increases With Even Slightly Elevated Blood Glucose Levels

It is not only diabetics who risk heart-related problems resulting from lifelong above-average blood glucose levels. New research from the University of Copenhagen shows that even a slightly elevated level of blood glucose in non-diabetic people results in a conspicuously greater risk of ischemic heart disease. 

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/