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    Post by chris c on Sun Apr 15 2018, 22:50

    Not very NICE: deviance, stigma and
    nutritional guidelines related to healthy weight
    and obesity

    http://sci-hub.hk/10.1002/hpm.2350

    "This paper critically examines the current National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence
    and National Health Service guidelines on weight management and the avoidance
    of obesity (NG7). We demonstrate that the guidance is unlikely to produce the desired effect
    of enabling people to reduce or control their weight through the twin strategies of dieting
    (primarily using the calories-in, calories-out approach) and increasing their levels of exercise.
    The paper provides a critical examination of these guidelines and concludes that they
    are unlikely to encourage maintenance of ‘healthy’ weights or prevent obesity, are not based
    upon particularly strong evidence and are misguided in maintaining a persistent focus upon
    weight rather than other indicators of health. Moreover, we suggest their promotion may
    produce a number of unintended consequences, including perpetuating body-related
    stigmatisation and anxieties"

    That's telling them - and it's researchers I hadn't come across before, not the Usual Suspects

    On the subject of which, Aseem is in fine form

    https://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2018/04/15/a-talk-by-aseem-malhotra-to-the-european-parliament/
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    Post by yoly on Mon Apr 16 2018, 10:50

    You will think that after so many decades of failure they will come to the realization that something is missing. But hey you know is easier to just blame the patient. The people are so dumb they don't know how to follow their advice.

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    Post by Long birder on Mon Apr 16 2018, 18:59

    @yoly wrote:You will think that after so many decades of failure they will come to the realization that something is missing. But hey you know is easier to just blame the patient. The people are so dumb they don't know how to follow their advice.
    Science loses to doctrine in the short term every time. In the long run science wins.
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    Post by chris c on Tue Apr 17 2018, 23:26

    The bridge fell down.

    Don't worry, just build another one exactly the same.

    That fell down too

    repeat for decades

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    Post by Long birder on Wed Apr 18 2018, 11:06

    Thanks for the reference to Aseem Malhotra's presentation, Chris.  It's quite an exposure of the tactics of big food and big pharma.  They will be out to get him.
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    Post by graham64 on Wed Apr 18 2018, 22:16

    @Long birder wrote:Thanks for the reference to Aseem Malhotra's presentation, Chris.  It's quite an exposure of the tactics of big food and big pharma.  They will be out to get him.
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    I don't think Aseem Malhotra will be at all phased if they are "out to get him" after the BDA dietitians launched a tirade against him they didn't like it when he responded in kind, he did offer to debate the issues raised with them but so far no response


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    Post by chris c on Fri Apr 20 2018, 23:34

    Musclebrain turned into M K Spaulding for a while but has returned to his previous username. Either the idiot has roid rage, or haemorrhoid rage, or both, but he is leading a campaign to have Aseem's medical licence. Along with the Usual Suspects of course.

    Meanwhile

    "Totally agree! There's a real lack of clinical RD (and other AHP) clinics in community. Well established in diabetes, gastroenterology, paediatrics, where MDT synergy provides optimum and most effective care. Presume funding issues and commissioners lack of understanding prevail"

    Proof that dieticians are achieving exactly what they want to achieve.

    Meanwhile from Thomas Sowell

    "You will never understand bureaucracies until you understand that for bureaucrats procedure is everything and outcomes are nothing."

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