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    Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

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    Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by RANDBURG on Thu Jun 04, 2015 6:27 am

    I hear on our local news that Tim Noakes is due to appear in front of the Health Professionals council, (over his Banting comments in a tweet in Feb 2014), later today in South Africa
    This tweet was apparently to a mother who asked him for advise on how to wean a baby, and his comment was Meat and vegetables, and Low Carb.
    He is being charged for unprofessional conduct and if found guilty this could lead to him being struck off the register.
    Be interesting as really Low Carb High Fat is on trial.

    I will be watching
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    Post by Two Collies on Thu Jun 04, 2015 7:16 am

    Media reports I have seen sugest that this is heading for being a "right stich up" Sad
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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by Eddie on Thu Jun 04, 2015 9:22 am

    LIVE: Tim Noakes HPCSA hearing http://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/LIVE-Tim-Noakes-HPCSA-hearing-20150604

    This is one hell of an important case. The same thing was tried on Dr Annika Dahlqvist a few years ago in Sweden for recommending a low carb diet to diabetics and over weight people, after two years or grief Annika won her case. See Dr. Malcolm Kendrick's view here. http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/tag/dr-annika-dahlqvist/

    "Now, I have been aware that there has been a movement towards a high fat low carb diet (HFLC) going on in Sweden for some years. This has been led recently by the heroic Dr Annika Dahlqvist, a General Practitioner who had been advising her diabetic patients to eat a low carb high fat diet (LCHF).

    She was, of course, attacked by the idiots…sorry experts:

    ‘In 2007, the controversy began when two dieticians pointed out to Sweden’s National Board of Health and Welfare that LCHF dietary advice recommended to diabetic patients by general practitioner Dr Annika Dahlqvist was not compatible with either scientific evidence or conventional practice. However, following a report by diabetologist Dr Christian Berne, Dahlqvist was cleared.’

    Cleared of what, exactly? Advising diabetic patients not to eat sugar. The mere fact that anyone could be dragged in front of the authorities for advising this just shows had completely mad the world of dietary advice has become. How entrenched the idiotic anti-fat dogma now is. How utterly divorced from reality and science."


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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by Eddie on Thu Jun 04, 2015 3:43 pm

    Update. Case put back until November, already looking a complete farce to me.


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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by graham64 on Thu Jun 04, 2015 11:24 pm

    I reckon dietitians who promote a high carb low fat diet for diabetics that lead to rapid progression and unnecessary possibly dangerous drugs (Hope Warshaw)  should be the ones on trial Twisted Evil


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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by Eddie on Fri Jun 05, 2015 12:26 pm

    Tim Noakes and the peculiar hearing that didn't happen.

    Legally speaking, it’s not correct to say the Health Professions Council of South Africa  (HPCSA) hearing against Prof Tim Noakes was postponed or adjourned from June 4 until November 23.

    The commencement of the hearing was delayed.

    “You can’t postpone or adjourn a hearing that hasn’t even started,” says Johannesburg advocate Michael van der Nest SC, a member of Noakes’ legal team.

    True enough, and it might sound like semantics, but it went to the heart of the legal process required for justice and fairness at the very least to be seen to be present at the start of a hearing.

    In this case, the hearing couldn’t even get off the ground, because the Professional Conduct Committee the HPCSA had set up to hear the allegation of unprofessional conduct against Noakes, was not properly constituted in accordance with the applicable regulations and the provisions of the Health Professions Act.

    One would have thought the HPCSA would have known that Noakes’ legal team would rightly object to a committee member sitting in judgement on Noakes when she belongs to the organisation that laid the charge of unprofessional conduct against him in the first place.

    My bold, more on this story here http://www.biznews.com/lchf-health-summit/2015/06/05/tim-noakes-and-the-peculiar-hearing-that-didnt-happen/ I reckon it's a case of fit up thwarted.


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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by Eddie on Sat Feb 06, 2016 1:44 pm

    The now infamous Prof. Tim Noakes trial kicks off again on Monday. This trial has been adjourned twice and to date the opposition against Tim have looked amateurish in the extreme. Will this case end this coming week, or will the farce continue? time will tell.

    Those wanting to follow the trial live can follow Marika Sboros ‏@MarikaSboros on twitter.


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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by chris c on Sat Feb 06, 2016 8:55 pm

    Meanwhile in New Zealand

    http://profgrant.com/2016/02/03/new-zealand-becomes-first-country-to-specifically-warn-against-low-carb-paleo-and-intermittent-fasting/
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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by Jan1 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:10 pm

    @chris c wrote:Meanwhile in New Zealand

    http://profgrant.com/2016/02/03/new-zealand-becomes-first-country-to-specifically-warn-against-low-carb-paleo-and-intermittent-fasting/

    I did read this with some dismay ...  Sad

    and my eyes were rolling  Shocked

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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by Jan1 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 5:13 pm

    Prof. Tim Noakes  - February hearing now at the end of day two - have you been following?

    Those wanting to follow the trial live can follow Marika Sboros ‏@MarikaSboros on twitter.

    All the best Jan
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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by Eddie on Tue Feb 09, 2016 6:34 pm

    Re. Prof. Noakes trial this may be a better link, as you can see I have been poking my oar in.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23noakeshearing&src=tyah


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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by graham64 on Tue Feb 09, 2016 9:39 pm

    @Eddie wrote:Re. Prof. Noakes trial this may be a better link, as you can see I have been poking my oar in.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23noakeshearing&src=tyah

    I've been keeping up to date with trial on Marika Sboros twitter account 

    https://twitter.com/MarikaSboros/with_replies


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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by Eddie on Sat Feb 13, 2016 1:49 pm

    Re, the last few days of the riveting Noakes hearing. Well it is for me anyway.

    University of Cape Town deputy vice chancellor and law professor Danie Visser calls emeritus professor Tim Noakes a “force in the world”. The Health Professions Council of South Africa (HPCSA) is more likely to call Noakes a tsunami. When the HPCSA resumed its hearing this week against Noakes on a charge of unprofessional conduct for giving unconventional advice to a breastfeeding mother on Twitter, he deluged its legal team with research to show he had been neither unprofessional nor was the advice he gave not evidence-based. If the HPCSA hoped the new addition to its legal team, advocate Ajay Bhoopchand who is also a medical doctor, would stem Noakes’ defensive tide, it was wrong. Bhoopchand tried hard to stop Noakes presenting evidence on the influence of food and soft drink industries on dietary guidelines and nutrition advice, saying it was ‘irrelevant’, he was ‘lecturing’ and giving ‘too much minutiae and detail’. Noakes’ own medical doctor advocate Ravin ‘Rocky’ Ramdass explained the relevance in minute detail to Bhoopchand. Chair of the HPCSA panel hearing the charge against Noakes, Pretoria advocate Joan Adams, overruled Bhoopchand, saying it was not in the interests of fairness or justice for the HPCSA to charge Noakes with giving advice that was not evidence-based, then stop him presenting evidence to show his advice was evidence-based.

    Bhoopchand was powerless to stop Noakes in full sail as he waded into these vested interests worldwide, showing how they are embedded in academia, have bought off top scientists and academics, sponsor dietitians’ associations – including the Association for Dietetics in SA (ADSA), whose former president, Claire Julsing Strydom, laid the complaint that led to the charge against him – to spin their products, and influence dietary guidelines, nutrition advice and our ideas about obesity and weight loss. He showed how food and soft-drinks industries have made low-fat, high-carb foods the dominant ‘conventional’ dietary paradigm without any science to back it up, contributing to global epidemics of obesity, heart disease, diabetes to name but a few. Noakes took special aim at the sugar industry, but had many other targets, including his own profession, saying doctors were telling patients diabetes was incurable when they had the means to reverse it: ’We are practising medicine of failure. I don’t want to practice that kind of medicine.’ He also explained – in minute detail – why heart disease in future will be treated not by cardiologists, but by hepatologists (liver specialists). In this fourth part of a series, science and business writer Rob Worthington-Smith looks at Noakes’ views on how and why obesity and heart disease began in the cradle of civilisation. – Marika Sboros

    Professor Noakes is presenting 1600 pages of evidence backing his defence and the case for low carb. Can't say the man has not got both barrels loaded for bear. affraid



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    Re: Dr Tim Noakes LCHF on Trial

    Post by chris c on Sat Feb 13, 2016 7:01 pm

    @graham64 wrote:
    @Eddie wrote:Re. Prof. Noakes trial this may be a better link, as you can see I have been poking my oar in.

    https://twitter.com/search?q=%23noakeshearing&src=tyah

    I've been keeping up to date with trial on Marika Sboros twitter account 

    https://twitter.com/MarikaSboros/with_replies
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