Diabetes UK the largest diabetes charity in the UK loves dishing out the doom and gloom.

Diabetes UK says one in five people admitted to hospital for angina, stroke, heart attack or heart failure have diabetes !

Diabetes UK the largest diabetes charity in the UK loves dishing out the doom and gloom. This I find extremely ironic, as they are responsible for much of the grim news we hear all too often regarding diabetic complications. Year after year the NHS audited stats tell us no improvements concerning HbA1c numbers are being made. Every year we hear over 90% of type one diabetics fail to get to a safe HbA1c. Every year more people join the club no one wants to join. Every year the charity pushes the carb up and shoot up diet of slow death. In a way maybe I should feel sorry for the staff at DUK, imagine working for an outfit that has failure stamped all over it. An outfit that appears to revel in doom and gloom, and is about as much use to the average diabetic, as a rubber beak on a woodpecker.

From DUK

"One in five people admitted to hospital for angina, stroke, heart attack or heart failure have diabetes, according to a new report published today.

The National Diabetes Audit report, published today by the Health and Social Care Information Centre (HSCIC), reveals that there were 23,986 "excess" deaths in people with diabetes in England and Wales in 2013. This means that they died earlier than would have been expected if compared to people without the condition.

Those with Type 1 diabetes were 131 per cent more likely to die in 2013 than their peers of their age without the condition and those with Type 2 diabetes were 32 per cent more likely to die.

The analysis showed that people with diabetes were:

- 139 per cent more likely to be admitted to hospital with angina
- 94 per cent more likely to be admitted to hospital with myocardial infarction
- 126 per cent more likely to be admitted to hospital with heart failure
- 63 per cent more likely to be admitted to hospital with a stroke
- 400 per cent more likely to be admitted to hospital for a major amputation and 817 per cent more likely to be - admitted with a minor amputation
- 272 per cent more likely to be admitted to hospital for renal replacement therapy"

Those looking for more doom and gloom can find it here. http://www.diabetes.org.uk/About_us/News/National-Diabetes-Audit-2015/

Yeah I saw that. How can anyone be 131% more likely to die ? Surely 100% risk of death is death ? The figures don't make any sense. If my chances of being admitted to hospital for amputation is 400%, that's all my limbs gone for certain lol !

mo1905 wrote:Yeah I saw that. How can anyone be 131% more likely to die ? Surely 100% risk of death is death ? The figures don't make any sense. If my chances of being admitted to hospital for amputation is 400%, that's all my limbs gone for certain lol !

With those odds we'd just be a head in a jar like in Futurama. lol

Mo wrote, "How can anyone be 131% more likely to die ?"
I thought that sounded a bit odd on first reading, but I think what it means is that only one in a hundred non-diabetics will die, but 2.31 diabetics will die.  Statistics are presented in that way to sound more dramatic, create the impression in the back of your mind that you are 131 times more likely to meet your maker than the next person.
As somebody said, "lies, damned lies and statistics".
Sally

Sally wrote:Mo wrote, "How can anyone be 131% more likely to die ?"
I thought that sounded a bit odd on first reading, but I think what it means is that only one in a hundred non-diabetics will die, but 2.31 diabetics will die.  Statistics are presented in that way to sound more dramatic, create the impression in the back of your mind that you are 131 times more likely to meet your maker than the next person.
As somebody said, "lies, damned lies and statistics".
Sally

Agree. You can play around with numbers to bamboozle people. I was once on a drug called Plavix. For people having heart stent work they often go on Plavix. The chances of dying in the first year on an Aspirin was two people in a hundred. On Plavix which in those days cost the NHS around £100 per month, around one chance in a hundred. The makers stated Plavix reduced the chance of death by 100%. This sounds great to you check out all the numbers. BTW the side effects made me dump the drug.

Sally wrote:Mo wrote, "How can anyone be 131% more likely to die ?"
I thought that sounded a bit odd on first reading, but I think what it means is that only one in a hundred non-diabetics will die, but 2.31 diabetics will die.  Statistics are presented in that way to sound more dramatic, create the impression in the back of your mind that you are 131 times more likely to meet your maker than the next person.
As somebody said, "lies, damned lies and statistics".
Sally

Could well be sally but they are wrong to use percentages. We all know 100% is a certainty. Anything above that is pointless. Even 131 times more likely to die seems pretty far fetched in my opinion.

eddie1 wrote:

Sally wrote:Mo wrote, "How can anyone be 131% more likely to die ?"
I thought that sounded a bit odd on first reading, but I think what it means is that only one in a hundred non-diabetics will die, but 2.31 diabetics will die.  Statistics are presented in that way to sound more dramatic, create the impression in the back of your mind that you are 131 times more likely to meet your maker than the next person.
As somebody said, "lies, damned lies and statistics".
Sally

Agree. You can play around with numbers to bamboozle people. I was once on a drug called Plavix. For people having heart stent work they often go on Plavix. The chances of dying in the first year on an Aspirin was two people in a hundred. On Plavix which in those days cost the NHS around £100 per month, around one chance in a hundred. The makers stated Plavix reduced the chance of death by 100%. This sounds great to you check out all the numbers. BTW the side effects made me dump the drug.

As well as its needed effects, clopidogrel (the active ingredient contained in Plavix) may cause unwanted side effects that require medical attention.

If any of the following side effects occur while taking clopidogrel, check with your doctor immediately:

More common
Chest pain
collection of blood under the skin
deep, dark purple bruise
itching, pain, redness, or swelling
pain in general
red or purple spots on the skin, varying in size from pinpoint to large bruises
Less common
Nosebleed
painful or difficult urination
shortness of breath
vomiting of blood or material that looks like coffee grounds
Rare
Black, tarry stools
blistering, flaking, or peeling of the skin
blood in the urine or stools
confusion
fever, chills, or sore throat
headache (sudden, severe)
nausea or vomiting
stomach pain (severe)
ulcers, sores, or white spots in the mouth
unusual bleeding or bruising
weakness (sudden)
Incidence not known
Abdominal or stomach cramps or swelling
back pain or backaches
blurred vision
change in mental status
cough or hoarseness
dark urine
difficulty with breathing or swallowing
difficulty with speaking
dizziness
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position
fast heartbeat
feeling of discomfort
general feeling of tiredness or weakness
hives
inflammation of the joints
itching
light-colored stools
lower back or side pain
muscle aches
pale color of the skin
puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
rash
reddening of the skin, especially around the ears
seizures
sweating
swelling of the eyes, face, or inside of the nose
swollen lymph glands
swollen or painful glands
tightness in the chest
unusual tiredness or weakness
upper right abdominal or stomach pain
watery or bloody diarrhea
wheezing
yellow eyes or skin
Some clopidogrel side effects may not need any medical attention. As your body gets used to the medicine these side effects may disappear. Your health care professional may be able to help you prevent or reduce these side effects, but do check with them if any of the following side effects continue, or if you are concerned about them:

Incidence not known
Bad, unusual, or unpleasant (after) taste
bloating
change in taste
constipation
diarrhea
difficulty with moving
headache
hives or welts
indigestion
loss of appetite
muscle pain or stiffness
noisy breathing
pain in the joints
pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
redness, soreness, or itching skin
seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there
skin blisters
sores, welting, or blisters
swelling or inflammation of the mouth


Apart from the above, no worries.

eddie1 wrote:

eddie1 wrote:

Sally wrote:Mo wrote, "How can anyone be 131% more likely to die ?"
I thought that sounded a bit odd on first reading, but I think what it means is that only one in a hundred non-diabetics will die, but 2.31 diabetics will die.  Statistics are presented in that way to sound more dramatic, create the impression in the back of your mind that you are 131 times more likely to meet your maker than the next person.
As somebody said, "lies, damned lies and statistics".
Sally

Agree. You can play around with numbers to bamboozle people. I was once on a drug called Plavix. For people having heart stent work they often go on Plavix. The chances of dying in the first year on an Aspirin was two people in a hundred. On Plavix which in those days cost the NHS around £100 per month, around one chance in a hundred. The makers stated Plavix reduced the chance of death by 100%. This sounds great to you check out all the numbers. BTW the side effects made me dump the drug.

As well as its needed effects, clopidogrel (the active ingredient contained in Plavix) may cause unwanted side effects that require medical attention.

If any of the following side effects occur while taking clopidogrel, check with your doctor immediately:

More common
Chest pain
collection of blood under the skin
deep, dark purple bruise
itching, pain, redness, or swelling
pain in general
red or purple spots on the skin, varying in size from pinpoint to large bruises
Less common
Nosebleed
painful or difficult urination
shortness of breath
vomiting of blood or material that looks like coffee grounds
Rare
Black, tarry stools
blistering, flaking, or peeling of the skin
blood in the urine or stools
confusion
fever, chills, or sore throat
headache (sudden, severe)
nausea or vomiting
stomach pain (severe)
ulcers, sores, or white spots in the mouth
unusual bleeding or bruising
weakness (sudden)
Incidence not known
Abdominal or stomach cramps or swelling
back pain or backaches
blurred vision
change in mental status
cough or hoarseness
dark urine
difficulty with breathing or swallowing
difficulty with speaking
dizziness
dizziness, faintness, or lightheadedness when getting up suddenly from a lying or sitting position
fast heartbeat
feeling of discomfort
general feeling of tiredness or weakness
hives
inflammation of the joints
itching
light-colored stools
lower back or side pain
muscle aches
pale color of the skin
puffiness or swelling of the eyelids or around the eyes, face, lips, or tongue
rash
reddening of the skin, especially around the ears
seizures
sweating
swelling of the eyes, face, or inside of the nose
swollen lymph glands
swollen or painful glands
tightness in the chest
unusual tiredness or weakness
upper right abdominal or stomach pain
watery or bloody diarrhea
wheezing
yellow eyes or skin
Some clopidogrel side effects may not need any medical attention. As your body gets used to the medicine these side effects may disappear. Your health care professional may be able to help you prevent or reduce these side effects, but do check with them if any of the following side effects continue, or if you are concerned about them:

Incidence not known
Bad, unusual, or unpleasant (after) taste
bloating
change in taste
constipation
diarrhea
difficulty with moving
headache
hives or welts
indigestion
loss of appetite
muscle pain or stiffness
noisy breathing
pain in the joints
pains in the stomach, side, or abdomen, possibly radiating to the back
redness, soreness, or itching skin
seeing, hearing, or feeling things that are not there
skin blisters
sores, welting, or blisters
swelling or inflammation of the mouth


Apart from the above, no worries.

Jeez! A coronary sounds more tempting than those!

I've got a worse medication. It says NO ALCOHOL !!!!!!!!!

mo1905 wrote:I've got a worse medication. It says NO ALCOHOL !!!!!!!!!

That's the WORST kind!!!

Then again-if it's lethal potential side effects you're after then check out the recommendations made by Osidge to a type 2 already on a myriad of T2 oral drugs and was reporting BG's of 29mmol !

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/advice-needed-please.51164/

Post #9

And I've got 15 of those side effects just by inadvertently (honest) inhaling the adhesive on my new utility room flooring. I think I'll say 'No' to the drug because it's got all those possible side effects and it's not even going to fix a floor for me is it?

Paul wrote:Then again-if it's lethal potential side effects you're after then check out the recommendations made by Osidge to a type 2 already on a myriad of T2 oral drugs and was reporting BG's of 29mmol !

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/advice-needed-please.51164/

Post #9

Wow ! So much for not giving any specific medical advice lol ! Good ol' Chopper :-)

zand wrote:And I've got 15 of those side effects just by inadvertently (honest) inhaling the adhesive on my new utility room flooring.   I think I'll say 'No' to the drug because it's got all those possible side effects and it's not even going to fix a floor for me is it?

I'm sorry you feel so ill but it made me think of something I saw on the news a while back:

mo1905 wrote:

zand wrote:And I've got 15 of those side effects just by inadvertently (honest) inhaling the adhesive on my new utility room flooring.   I think I'll say 'No' to the drug because it's got all those possible side effects and it's not even going to fix a floor for me is it?

I'm sorry you feel so ill but it made me think of something I saw on the news a while back:

lol that's amazing. Thanks for cheering me up

Paul wrote:Then again-if it's lethal potential side effects you're after then check out the recommendations made by Osidge to a type 2 already on a myriad of T2 oral drugs and was reporting BG's of 29mmol !

http://www.diabetes.co.uk/forum/threads/advice-needed-please.51164/

Post #9

Wonder if Osidge was referring to this combination of drugs:

Dapagliflozin Improves Glycemic Control and Reduces Body Weight as Add-on Therapy to Metformin Plus Sulfonylurea: A 24-Week Randomized, Double-Blind Clinical Trial

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/

Disclosure: The study was sponsored by Bristol-Myers Squibb and AstraZeneca. Matthaei reports various financial ties with Abbott, AstraZeneca, Bayer, Bristol-Myers Squibb, Boehringer Ingelheim, Janssen, Lilly, Merck, Novartis, Novo Nordisk, Roche and Sanofi.

Could Osidge also have connections to Big Pharma