The $64,000 question is why is this tragic situation allowed to continue ?

I was going to add USA statistics for diabetes blood glucose control, but so far I have not been successful in finding any such statistics. I did a Google search and came up empty handed. I did find stats on who gets diabetes and stats on complications by $ amount in the expected locations (ADA, CDC). Does anybody have a reference?

Those are appalling stats.

And it's not helped by the widespread belief that we should keep our HbA1cs high to avoid hypos and lack of hypo awareness.

No, we should keep our BGs steady, near normal, and avoid hypos.

Quite a different thing.

I am T2 and was told at a recent clinic appointment that they would be happy with me having a hba1c up to 50. I certainly wouldn't be.

Eddie do the stats reveal percentages of worsening vs improving HbA1cs, i.e. how many people are lowering their numbers vs how many are getting worse?

Even T1's are encouraged to expect and even aim for higher BG levels to avoid possibilities of hypo. Surely we should all be aiming for as near non-diabetic levels as we can safely maintain ?

Am dreading my next hba1c. Eating habits are same. I am an honest person and have never deluded myself about size or weight but my day to day levels have gone from 6 to 7. Started with heat and work is stressful as I have to teach maths next year so I have had to revise! I am 7 now. How? 7.5 fasting. 8 2 hours after brekkie and I eat one sausage, scrambled egg made with cream and some mushrooms. I have recently plateaued and put on 2lbs whilst at Center parks. Next day had upset stomach and lost 2lbs day after. Lost a further 1lb today. Stopped taking met for 4 weeks on docs advice but have gone and got more and told doc that I think I still need it. Been taking it for 4 days now.

What meds you taking Scandi ?

sanguine wrote:Eddie do the stats reveal percentages of worsening vs improving HbA1cs, i.e. how many people are lowering their numbers vs how many are getting worse?

I have never seen the data presented in the way that would answer your questions Rod. A couple of observations I have made. 1. Why no numbers for people with HbA1c better than 6.5 2. Every Doctor must have people on their books with HbA1c numbers in the mid 4 to 5's could it be they don't want these people in the audits ? Maybe someone in a high place may ask "what are these people doing differently" Now we know almost all success reported on various forums comes about by low carb, and we can't have the low carb high fat munchers showing the Pro's the way can we.

This can also be a bit counter productive, if you are looking to tie in, or sell your forum to big pharma. Nod nod wink wink and strictly on the QT.

Kind regards Eddie

Scandichic, do you use a Codefree meter? Just a particular batch number is reading about .5 higher than other batches. I think Andrew Colvin has posted about it with the relevant number and has checked them against various strips and meters. It maybe that you are using them?
I don't think that Metformin has that dramatic an effect on BS so I'd be surprised if it was just stopping them that lifted you- I can't say I noticed a massive change going from one to two then to three. Having a tummy upset possibly would and stress from being away so maybe just try and relax for a few days and see if that helps at all. It's hard not to always be thinking diabetes , but I'm sure popping it on a slight back burner in your mind would help.

I agree, Metformin doesn't make much difference to BG levels.

Avocado Sevenfold wrote:I am T2 and was told at a recent clinic appointment that they would be happy with me having a hba1c up to 50.  I certainly wouldn't be.

I'm amazed at this. My DNS said that my A1C was good at 61. am I missing something ?

Alanp35 wrote:

Avocado Sevenfold wrote:I am T2 and was told at a recent clinic appointment that they would be happy with me having a hba1c up to 50.  I certainly wouldn't be.

I'm amazed at this.  My DNS said that my A1C was good at 61.  am I missing something ?

That's a little higher than I'd like Alan ! Your nurse may be happy but it's your body, not his/hers. Certainly nothing to worry over but I'd certainly be looking to reduce this if possible. If you need any advice regarding diet/exercise or anything, please ask. Take care, Mo

That's what I thought - next review is 16 September which is 12 months since I "got" this,so I hope to find out then. Not holding my breath though or expecting too much either.

Alanp35 wrote:That's what I thought - next review is 16 September which is 12 months since I "got" this,so I hope to find out then.  Not holding my breath though or expecting too much either.

Still early days Alan but we're here to help. Don't just accept what you're told as gospel. The targets "they" are happy with are not good long term.

mo1905 wrote:What meds you taking Scandi ?

Metformin. Gave up tonight and had marks dine for 2. All good apart from the 4 profiteroles. Then went for an hours walk. 6.6 after 11/2 hours. Lowest it's been all day yet ate really LCHF till profiteroles. No sense! Said I'm only human. To which mr scandi retorted yes and I don't need my toes. Do you remember that thread about having a day off? I wish!   

cold ethyl wrote:Scandichic, do you use a Codefree meter? Just a particular batch number is reading about .5 higher than other batches. I think Andrew Colvin has posted about it with the relevant number and has checked them against various strips and meters. It maybe that you are using them?
I don't think that Metformin has that dramatic an effect on BS so I'd be surprised if it was just stopping them that lifted you- I can't say I noticed a massive change going from one to two then to three. Having a tummy upset possibly would and stress from being away so maybe just try and relax for a few days and see if that helps at all. It's hard not to always be thinking diabetes , but I'm sure popping it on a slight back burner in your mind would help.

Can't blame it on code free as I have been using the nexus from docs. Bugger diabetes!

6.6 after profiteroles ?? I'd be happy with that :-)

mo1905 wrote:6.6 after profiteroles ?? I'd be happy with that :-)

Hubbie now being merciless! Has coined phrase " a moment on the lips, a leg off at the hips" the git! Now he and my eldest are making jokes about if this happened, I'd no longer be able to count to 20!

Scandichic wrote:

mo1905 wrote:6.6 after profiteroles ?? I'd be happy with that :-)

Hubbie now being merciless! Has coined phrase " a moment on the lips, a leg off at the hips" the git! Now he and my eldest are making jokes about if this happened, I'd no longer be able to count to 20!

Aw Scandi, I had a few suggestions on how you could punish them for being so horrid, but on reflection maybe it's best just to think these things rather than post! I wouldn't want to have to leave a forum so soon after joining.  Maybe the revenge shopping idea? I'm sure there's something you must really need that hubby can pay for?  

zand wrote:

Scandichic wrote:

mo1905 wrote:6.6 after profiteroles ?? I'd be happy with that :-)

Hubbie now being merciless! Has coined phrase " a moment on the lips, a leg off at the hips" the git! Now he and my eldest are making jokes about if this happened, I'd no longer be able to count to 20!

Aw Scandi, I had a few suggestions on how you could punish them for being so horrid, but on reflection maybe it's best just to think these things rather than post!  I wouldn't want to have to leave a forum so soon after joining.  Maybe the revenge shopping idea?  I'm sure there's something you must really need that hubby can pay for?  

This is normal banter in the Scandi household. But revenge shopping! Now you're talking! Wonder if there are anymore bargains to be had in the 70% off monsoon sale?  

Alanp35 wrote:

Avocado Sevenfold wrote:I am T2 and was told at a recent clinic appointment that they would be happy with me having a hba1c up to 50.  I certainly wouldn't be.

I'm amazed at this.  My DNS said that my A1C was good at 61.  am I missing something ?

Yes, sorry Alan. The missing info is that my last two tests were 38. If it jumped up to 50 I would be very worried.