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    Fibre - where do you stand?

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    Re: Fibre - where do you stand?

    Post by chris c on Thu Aug 06 2015, 17:25

    I say I say I say! Do you suffer from black tarry stools?
    Only when I mend my motorbike in the kitchen . . .
    . . .my No 2s are mostly No 3 or No 4, but I had a Billy Connolly moment last week (never trust a fart).
    The culprit was obviously the baguette I used to make two bacon sandwiches, that was the first time I ate wheat for ages and served as a good reminder not to do that again!
    I notice colour changes more than texture changes. Almost orange when I make a chicken curry with a load of turmeric to almost black when I eat spinach or horse mushrooms. Obviously I get enough fibre from all the veggies, and yes the fat improves the consistency I'm certain.
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    Post by graham64 on Thu Aug 06 2015, 23:09

    @Indy51 wrote:Maybe that should be super duper pooper, @graham64 tmi

    I afraid before I can assume that title I need to be type 4 Surprised so as Pasha quite rightly say's I need to imbibe in a few more glasses of Adam's ale Shocked

    Stop press: 

    Boil drinking water, Lancashire residents warned



    United Utilities is advising customers in Blackpool, Chorley, Fylde, Preston, South Ribble and Wyre to to boil their water for all drinking, food preparation and brushing teeth as a precaution until further notice.

    The company say people can continue to use tap water without boiling for general purposes such as bathing, flushing toilets or washing clothes.

    Routine tests at Franklaw water treatment works detected traces of cryptosporidium which can cause gastrointestinal illness.

    Martin Padley, Chief Scientific Officer at United Utilities, said: “The advice is being given purely as a precautionary measure as we carry out additional tests today.

    To find out if your postcode is affected, click here
    Last updated Thu 6 Aug 2015

    http://www.itv.com/news/granada/update/2015-08-06/boil-drinking-water-lancashire-residents-warned/

    Due to the extra water I've drunk today make that Type 7 affraid


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    Post by zand on Fri Aug 07 2015, 08:32

    Yay! Back to a 4 today after 'recovering' from my fat fast. Happy days. Smile woot

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    Post by Pasha on Fri Aug 07 2015, 09:51

    @zand wrote:Yay! Back to a 4 today after 'recovering' from my fat fast.  Happy days.  Smile   woot

    A par four in golfers language.
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    Post by Paul1976 on Fri Aug 07 2015, 09:53

    @graham64 wrote:
    @Indy51 wrote:Maybe that should be super duper pooper, @graham64 tmi

    I afraid before I can assume that title I need to be type 4 Surprised so as Pasha quite rightly say's I need to imbibe in a few more glasses of Adam's ale Shocked

    Stop press: 

    Boil drinking water, Lancashire residents warned



    United Utilities is advising customers in Blackpool, Chorley, Fylde, Preston, South Ribble and Wyre to to boil their water for all drinking, food preparation and brushing teeth as a precaution until further notice.

    The company say people can continue to use tap water without boiling for general purposes such as bathing, flushing toilets or washing clothes.

    Routine tests at Franklaw water treatment works detected traces of cryptosporidium which can cause gastrointestinal illness.

    Martin Padley, Chief Scientific Officer at United Utilities, said: “The advice is being given purely as a precautionary measure as we carry out additional tests today.

    To find out if your postcode is affected, click here
    Last updated Thu 6 Aug 2015

    http://www.itv.com/news/granada/update/2015-08-06/boil-drinking-water-lancashire-residents-warned/

    Due to the extra water I've drunk today make that Type 7 affraid

    Hi Graham!

    Sorry you've got problems with your water,we had the Cryptosporidium issue round our way a few years back and it was a right nuisance to say the least but also I would like to add,and I don't know if it applies to yourself or anyone you know in the area,but if you keep an aquarium then this issue can infect fish also so precautions need to be taken when doing any partial water changes on the tanks.

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    Post by graham64 on Fri Aug 07 2015, 22:49

    Paul wrote:Sorry you've got problems with your water,we had the Cryptosporidium issue round our way a few years back and it was a right nuisance to say the least but also I would like to add,and I don't know if it applies to yourself or anyone you know in the area,but if you keep an aquarium then this issue can infect fish also so precautions need to be taken when doing any partial water changes on the tanks.

    Thanks Paul, I don't have an aquarium my daughter and her partner did kill keep fish but not anymore, they do have however have a guinea pig and a bonkers Labrador affraid . They are aware of the problem with the water so I'm sure the pets will have boiled water too.

    Went to buy some bottled water this morning but the shelves were empty apart from Perrier at a quid a bottle gave it a miss, luckily I have four bottles in bought because I've been child minding and I got a stock in for when I took the brats kids to the park.

    Just a thought remember the "plague on your houses" comment by a member from the other place who must dabble in the occult bitenails bitenails bitenails


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    Post by graham64 on Fri Aug 07 2015, 22:51

    @zand wrote:Yay! Back to a 4 today after 'recovering' from my fat fast.  Happy days.  Smile   woot

    Still a 3 today so the water must not have affected me  cheers


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    Post by zand on Sat Aug 08 2015, 08:04

    Well now I'm back to LCHF proper after the fat fast, yesterday saw 2 number 4's Smile .....and they said LCHF causes constipation..... Rolling Eyes
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    Post by mo1905 on Sat Aug 08 2015, 18:12

    @zand wrote:Well now I'm back to LCHF proper after the fat fast, yesterday saw 2 number 4's  Smile  .....and they said LCHF causes constipation..... Rolling Eyes

    I was just about to write how great those BG numbers were then I remembered.........


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    Post by Eddie on Sat Aug 08 2015, 18:49

    We have heard countless times a reduced fibre diet could lead to constipation, not with us eating lots of high fibre vegetables, but what about a low fibre diet. This is an eye opener, no pun intended.

    Stopping or reducing dietary fiber intake reduces constipation and its associated symptoms.

    AIM: To investigate the effect of reducing dietary fiber on patients with idiopathic constipation.

    METHODS: Sixty-three cases of idiopathic constipation presenting between May 2008 and May 2010 were enrolled into the study after colonoscopy excluded an organic cause of the constipation. Patients with previous colon surgery or a medical cause of their constipation were excluded. All patients were given an explanation on the role of fiber in the gastrointestinal tract. They were then asked to go on a no fiber diet for 2 wk. Thereafter, they were asked to reduce the amount of dietary fiber intake to a level that they found acceptable. Dietary fiber intake, symptoms of constipation, difficulty in evacuation of stools, anal bleeding, abdominal bloating or abdominal pain were recorded at 1 and 6 mo.

    RESULTS: The median age of the patients (16 male, 47 female) was 47 years (range, 20-80 years). At 6 mo, 41 patients remained on a no fiber diet, 16 on a reduced fiber diet, and 6 resumed their high fiber diet for religious or personal reasons. Patients who stopped or reduced dietary fiber had significant improvement in their symptoms while those who continued on a high fiber diet had no change. Of those who stopped fiber completely, the bowel frequency increased from one motion in 3.75 d (± 1.59 d) to one motion in 1.0 d (± 0.0 d) (P < 0.001); those with reduced fiber intake had increased bowel frequency from a mean of one motion per 4.19 d (± 2.09 d) to one motion per 1.9 d (± 1.21 d) on a reduced fiber diet (P < 0.001); those who remained on a high fiber diet continued to have a mean of one motion per 6.83 d (± 1.03 d) before and after consultation. For no fiber, reduced fiber and high fiber groups, respectively, symptoms of bloating were present in 0%, 31.3% and 100% (P < 0.001) and straining to pass stools occurred in 0%, 43.8% and 100% (P < 0.001).

    CONCLUSION: Idiopathic constipation and its associated symptoms can be effectively reduced by stopping or even lowering the intake of dietary fiber.

    Full paper here http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435786/


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    Post by zand on Sat Aug 08 2015, 20:34

    Nope I don't and won't believe this one. I could tell you some horror stories about what happened when I didn't have any fibre for a while - but I won't. affraid
    Cringing at the thought. There's no way I would ever do that again, not if you paid me a million pounds.
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    Post by graham64 on Sat Aug 08 2015, 23:31

    Still a Type 3 today  Very Happy but no resolution on the contaminated water Crying or Very sad



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    Post by Indy51 on Sat Aug 08 2015, 23:36

    I sometimes wonder if the lack of discussion about FODMAPS is purely because nobody wants to remember what it stands for, lol.

    It's all down to fermentable fibres and I can easily believe the results of this study. Vegetable/fruit fibre has almost no effect on me as regards bloating, pain, gas, discomfort etc. but add in grains and legumes - then run away fast pale tmi affraid

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    Post by Pasha on Sun Aug 09 2015, 04:43

    @zand wrote:Nope I don't and won't believe this one.  I could tell you some horror stories about what happened when I didn't have any fibre for a while - but I won't.  affraid
    Cringing at the thought.  There's no way I would ever do that again, not if you paid me a million pounds.  

    Exactly, I floss my teeth and flax my intestines.
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    Post by Eddie on Sun Aug 09 2015, 08:57

    Fibre can we eat too much? Only asking



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    Post by chris c on Sun Aug 09 2015, 10:39

    @Indy51 wrote:I sometimes wonder if the lack of discussion about FODMAPS is purely because nobody wants to remember what it stands for, lol.

    It's all down to fermentable fibres and I can easily believe the results of this study. Vegetable/fruit fibre has almost no effect on me as regards bloating, pain, gas, discomfort etc. but add in grains and legumes - then run away fast pale tmi affraid

    Me too! And to think I was persuaded to base all my meals on "Fart Healthy sorry I mean Heart Healthy Whole Grains" for decades. I could have powered a small city.

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