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    NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

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    Eddie
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    NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by Eddie on Thu Nov 27 2014, 06:54

    People diagnosed with diabetes linked to obesity should be quickly assessed for weight loss surgery, according to finalised NHS guidelines.

    "The National Institute for Health and Care Excellence (NICE), which advises the NHS in England, said obesity was an "immense problem".

    Charity Diabetes UK said surgery could be beneficial, but had risks.

    About 10% of NHS budgets is spent treating diabetes and its complications.

    Weight loss surgery is "good for patients and cost saving for the NHS", the advisory body said.

    Obesity had a "huge personal health cost to individuals and an enormous financial cost to the NHS", it said. Prof Mark Baker, the centre for clinical practice director at NICE, said: "Obesity is directly linked to type 2 diabetes, fatty liver disease, cancer, high blood pressure, heart disease, stroke, arthritis and it affects people's mental health.

    "It is a major issue, if not the major issue, for the health service in the coming years." Obese people with recently diagnosed type 2 diabetes should be assessed for weight loss surgery quickly, NICE said.

    "Hopefully the impact will be that more patients will be aware that bariatric surgery is a safe, cost-effective treatment for diabetes," Dr Rachel Batterham, of University College London, told the BBC.

    More on this story here." http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-30209234

    Expensive surgery with serious risks, expensive drugs that are not effective, many carrying side effects. NICE and the NHS will try anything, other than change their stance on what constitutes a healthy and long term sustainable diet for a diabetic. I suspect every Doctor has diabetics on his books holding non diabetic numbers, and the Doctor knows a low carb high fat diet is the key. How long will the madness continue?


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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by zand on Thu Nov 27 2014, 07:40

    How long will the madness continue? I don't believe it will ever stop. As long as there is mega money in this system for food companies and drugs companies and advertising companies etc. there will always be the big guys willing to exploit the unknowing individual. It has always happened, through slavery and servitude and sending innocent good men to their deaths in the trenches in a war that didn't 'end all wars' but in fact started the next one. So now our health is exploited for 'their' financial gain and people die before their time. 'Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose'.

    All we can to is keep spreading the word to individuals and anyone who will listen.
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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by mo1905 on Thu Nov 27 2014, 08:00

    Saw this on the news this morning. Absolute madness. Approx £6K for surgery !

    More news on the story here :

    http://www.theguardian.com/society/2014/nov/27/obesity-weight-loss-surgery-type-2-diabetes-treatment-health



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    Post by zand on Thu Nov 27 2014, 08:08

    @mo1905 wrote:Saw this on the news this morning. Absolute madness. Approx £6K for surgery !

    Yes but that is money earned for someone, a great deal for them! Just not so great for the obese person and the taxpayer. Just how much would it cost to produce a leaflet about LCHF? I've printed out the address of this forum on slips of paper and have given a few to people when I am waiting in hospitals and doctor's surgeries. No, I don't just foist them on unsuspecting people, but if the conversation comes round to weight loss and they are interested, I give them the address. How hard would it be for doctors to hand out a leaflet? I would have loved to receive one 10-15 years ago when I was piling on the pounds and didn't know how to stop.

    Yes Mo, it's madness
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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by mo1905 on Thu Nov 27 2014, 08:42

    Agree Zand, I think being advised to join a diabetes forum like this should be standard practice when diagnosed. The doctors are not given sufficient time to explain a lot of the important things like testing, diet and exercise etc. 99% of what I know about my condition has been learned from people like yourself !


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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by Dillinger on Thu Nov 27 2014, 11:11

    Recently I have been diagnosed with having a strange reaction to wine; if I drink it in sufficient quantities I become drunk.

    I've been to my GP and have been given tablets to address the drunkenness and have been advised to keep drinking plenty of wine (as the body does not store wine so it is essential that you continually replace it).

    However the tablets are not helping very much so I've been put forward for bariatric surgery to limit the amount of wine I can drink at any one time which allows me to keep drinking but at a sensible level. Hopefully this will sort out the drunkenness problems.

    I spoke to Eddie about this and he was not very helpful at all; he said I should just 'stop drinking wine'. As if he were some bloody doctor or something..!

    It's not that far off is it?

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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by mo1905 on Thu Nov 27 2014, 11:13

    @Dillinger wrote:Recently I have been diagnosed with having a strange reaction to wine; if I drink it in sufficient quantities I become drunk.  

    I've been to my GP and have been given tablets to address the drunkenness and have been advised to keep drinking plenty of wine (as the body does not store wine so it is essential that you continually replace it).

    However the tablets are not helping very much so I've been put forward for bariatric surgery to limit the amount of wine I can drink at any one time which allows me to keep drinking but at a sensible level. Hopefully this will sort out the drunkenness problems.

    I spoke to Eddie about this and he was not very helpful at all; he said I should just 'stop drinking wine'.  As if he were some bloody doctor or something..!

    It's not that far off is it?

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    Lol ! makes sense to me :-)

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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by Paul1976 on Thu Nov 27 2014, 11:24

    @Dillinger wrote:Recently I have been diagnosed with having a strange reaction to wine; if I drink it in sufficient quantities I become drunk.  

    I've been to my GP and have been given tablets to address the drunkenness and have been advised to keep drinking plenty of wine (as the body does not store wine so it is essential that you continually replace it).

    However the tablets are not helping very much so I've been put forward for bariatric surgery to limit the amount of wine I can drink at any one time which allows me to keep drinking but at a sensible level. Hopefully this will sort out the drunkenness problems.

    I spoke to Eddie about this and he was not very helpful at all; he said I should just 'stop drinking wine'.  As if he were some bloody doctor or something..!

    It's not that far off is it?

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    Dillinger

    lol! Now THAT'S what I call a bloody excellent analogy!! clap

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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by zand on Thu Nov 27 2014, 11:53

    Yep Dillinger that's perfect! Smile

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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by j on Thu Nov 27 2014, 13:41

    I think I'm getting it too dillinger bounce , I use to drink all day, but as I age I find that it affects me. I might have to go onto the tablets too
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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by graham64 on Thu Nov 27 2014, 21:47

    But Professor Iain Broom, director of the centre for obesity research and education at Robert Gordon University in Aberdeen, accused NICE of getting it “so wrong” with its new guidelines.

    He added: “NICE favour surgery, rather than diet, within the NHS, but they have missed swathes of evidence.

    “The NICE guidance could send tens of thousands of Britons towards unnecessary surgery, costing taxpayers millions.

    "All that is required is a different dietary and lifestyle approach including the use of low carbohydrate and calorie diets. While surgery has its place, it must remain a last resort.”

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/two-million-obese-brits-free-4703363 
     
    Good to see Professor Iain Broom putting things into perspective we know all surgery carries a risk and as he says it must be the last resort.


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    Re: NICE: Weight loss ops 'good for obesity-linked diabetes'

    Post by Eddie on Thu Nov 27 2014, 22:13

    Has anyone else noticed, how men and women of learning and high intelligence, can explain great things with so few words.

    "All that is required is a different dietary and lifestyle approach including the use of low carbohydrate and calorie diets. While surgery has its place, it must remain a last resort.”


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