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    Keto diet: Scientists find link to diabetes risk (in mice)

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    Keto diet: Scientists find link to diabetes risk (in mice)

    Post by graham64 on Thu Aug 09 2018, 22:56

    Currently doing the rounds in many publications this "three day study"  on rodents is attracting a lot of interest 

    https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/322724.php 

    Ivor Cummins received an e-mail with the mouse keto diet 


    In another article that did not even mention it was a three day rodent study Alison Tedstone  said:

    Dr Alison Tedstone, chief nutritionist at Public Health England, said: "Cutting out whole food groups risks damaging long-term health.

    "A healthy balanced diet, based on the Eatwell Guide, should include higher fibre starchy carbohydrates - this can help minimise the risk of serious illnesses such as Type 2 diabetes, heart disease and some cancers."

    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/health/fad-diets-which-swap-carbs-for-fat-could-increase-diabetes-risk-research-finds-a3907136.html

    Nothing new there then   Rolling Eyes


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    Re: Keto diet: Scientists find link to diabetes risk (in mice)

    Post by Long birder on Fri Aug 10 2018, 07:57

    The keto mice in our house don't live very long, serve them right for eating small lumps of cheddar cheese when loaded springs are attached! Smile

    The experimental mice no doubt would be genetically engineered mice with their chow dictated by big pharma!

    What utter desperate bunkum that Tedstone woman spouts.
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    Re: Keto diet: Scientists find link to diabetes risk (in mice)

    Post by graham64 on Fri Aug 10 2018, 22:48

    @Long birder wrote:The keto mice in our house don't live very long, serve them right for eating small lumps of cheddar cheese when loaded springs are attached! Smile

    The experimental mice no doubt would be genetically engineered mice with their chow dictated by big pharma!

    What utter desperate bunkum that Tedstone woman spouts.

    The mouse chow contains hydrogenated crisco   Rolling Eyes


    This article got far less publicity

    A Ketogenic Diet Extends Longevity and Healthspan in Adult Mice


    But in this study the main source of fat was lard


    I tend to not take much notice of rodent studies as they are seldom replicated in humans, they were favoured by the low carb naysayers at DCUK though  Laughing


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    Re: Keto diet: Scientists find link to diabetes risk (in mice)

    Post by yoly on Sat Aug 11 2018, 10:22

    I have not read the study, but there have others they all follow the same "logic". They fed mice a low carb, bad fat diet then they do a high sugar challenge. Find they don't process glucose as well and they say is bad for people, it could become diabetes. Is silly they are just made to discredit the diet. The same as they do with natural supplements that can challenge expensive medications.
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    Re: Keto diet: Scientists find link to diabetes risk (in mice)

    Post by chris c on Sat Aug 11 2018, 23:41

    Yes and often the "high fats diets" contain huge quantities of sucrose.

    Tedstone needs to be retired alongside Willett. Of course cutting out entire food groups is perfectly acceptable when it's meat or saturated fat.
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    Re: Keto diet: Scientists find link to diabetes risk (in mice)

    Post by graham64 on Sun Aug 12 2018, 22:17

    It would appear some rodent studies can not be replicated 

    Studies Unable to Reproduce Results of Two Diabetes Papers

    The original work found that an anti-malaria drug or the neurotransmitter GABA could increase the number of insulin-producing pancreatic cells in mice.

    https://www.the-scientist.com/news-opinion/studies-unable-to-reproduce-results-of-two-diabetes-papers-64630


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    Re: Keto diet: Scientists find link to diabetes risk (in mice)

    Post by chris c on Mon Aug 13 2018, 23:05

    Interesting. Over time I have concluded that just about everything "cures" diabetic mice but none of it works in humans. When it doesn't work in different mice I fail to be surprised.

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