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    More Science, Can You Believe It?

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    Re: More Science, Can You Believe It?

    Post by Long birder on Sat Jul 07 2018, 14:12

    @chris c wrote:The second one

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1007/s11892-018-1017-1

    (to find full paywalled papers copy the DOI number into Sci-Hub and they will usually appear)

    I reckon I must be keeping my Vitamin D well up in the recent weather, and nitric oxide too, I spent some hours today sitting in the sun at the Hen Reedbeds not seeing many birds but chatting with some interesting people one of whom I'd met before. I've not been doing enough walking but I know the location of every seat and suitable grassy bank for miles . . .

    Yes "we know Healthy Whole Grains must be good for you despite this study not proving it". Strangely I've eaten very few of them for the last thirteen years and I strongly suspect that if I had I wouldn't still be here. They get in the way of eating Real Food.

    The fat paper was interesting, George Henderson made the point that perhaps they ate the butter on bread but the other oils in meals.

    David Ludwig and Cara Ebbeling look at the carbohydrate-insulin theory

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1001/jamainternmed.2018.2933

    and are rapidly shot down in flames by the Usual Suspects (well that's what they think)

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1001/jamainternmed.2018.2920


    You should read this, she really hates them.

    http://itsthewooo.blogspot.com/2018/07/the-strawman-cih-is-not-supported-by.html


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    Re: More Science, Can You Believe It?

    Post by Long birder on Sat Jul 07 2018, 14:19

    Can't get the full article Graham do
    you know if it's available, elsewhere?
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    @graham64 wrote:Vitamin D and insulin resistance 

    https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jnsv/64/3/64_173/_pdf

    Diabetes Among Non-Overweight Individuals: an Emerging Public Health Challenge

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11892-018-1017-1
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    Re: More Science, Can You Believe It?

    Post by graham64 on Sat Jul 07 2018, 22:17

    @Long birder wrote:Can't get the full article Graham do
    you know if it's available, elsewhere?
    Derek

    @graham64 wrote:Vitamin D and insulin resistance 

    https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jnsv/64/3/64_173/_pdf

    Diabetes Among Non-Overweight Individuals: an Emerging Public Health Challenge

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11892-018-1017-1

    Hi Derek, Chris provided the link to the full text on his post check it out below  Smile

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1007/s11892-018-1017-1


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    Re: More Science, Can You Believe It?

    Post by Long birder on Sun Jul 08 2018, 07:33

    @graham64 wrote:
    @Long birder wrote:Can't get the full article Graham do
    you know if it's available, elsewhere?
    Derek

    @graham64 wrote:Vitamin D and insulin resistance 

    https://www.jstage.jst.go.jp/article/jnsv/64/3/64_173/_pdf

    Diabetes Among Non-Overweight Individuals: an Emerging Public Health Challenge

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs11892-018-1017-1

    Hi Derek, Chris provided the link to the full text on his post check it out below  Smile

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1007/s11892-018-1017-1
    Thanks Chris and Graham you guys are great sources.
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    Re: More Science, Can You Believe It?

    Post by chris c on Sun Jul 08 2018, 21:20

    Gotta love the Wooo's rants, but first I shall need to eat something. I already had sausages and broccoli, I think a salmon (tinned) and vegetable stir fry, plus extra coffee.

    Thinking back to the Whole grains" paper, the logic is like "Rothmans are better than Woodbines so everyone must smoke more Rothmans". Very little research into "whole" grains vs. no grains.
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    Re: More Science, Can You Believe It?

    Post by chris c on Tue Jul 10 2018, 22:33

    Well that was fun!

    A bit of Guyenet history, once Whole Health Source was well worth a read even if you didn't necessarily agree with him, and he had a fine flock of commenters.

    Then he became a Professional Researcher. It appears he was being used to discover how to make more addictive "food" for industry although he didn't see it like that, what with his "food reward" that no-one seemed to understand. He subsequently deleted a load of his old posts, and the replies. Someone with integrity might have left them up and explained his reasoning as to why he changed his mind.

    Gary Taubes had a pop at him at a conference so he became determined to "prove" that insulin had nothing to do with obesity. In fact he tried to "prove" that insulin made you thin. I wrote on Michael Eades blog that I was going to email him and thank him for explaining how all insulin deficient Type 1s were really fat and all insulin resistant Type 2s were very slim, but he probably wouldn't notice the sarcasm.

    He ended up with a load of commenters like Carbsane, banned Woo not a few times and then had a paranoid attack that someone "in a Woo-fueled rage" was going to hunt him down and kill him.

    He's a bit more sane since then but still hates Taubes, and of course Hall was the one who caused NUSI to implode.

    Meanwhile, a near miss from Harvard

    Influence of Lifestyle on
    Incident Cardiovascular Disease and
    Mortality in Patients With
    Diabetes Mellitus

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1016/j.jacc.2018.04.027

    would have worked better if they had a better definition of "healthy diet" and no I don't mean Willett's 63 portions of fruit and veg per day

    HbA1c, diabetes and cognitive decline: the English Longitudinal
    Study of Ageing

    https://link.springer.com/article/10.1007/s00125-017-4541-7

    pdf available. Interesting how it is those Chinese again, this time using UK data

    Metabolic flexibility as an adaptation to energy resources and
    requirements in health and disease

    http://sci-hub.tw/10.1210/er.2017-00211

    54 pages so I'm only part way through, but IMO this is what high carb diets destroy, when you are in carb overload you become incapable of metabolising fat, so when you get hungry you have to eat more carbs. Whereas the likes of us can switch seamlessly to metabolising fat, whether dietary or stored

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