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    Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

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    Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

    Post by graham64 on Sat Jul 01 2017, 23:24

    An eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth — a life for a lab book?

    In the past few months, China has announced two new crackdowns on research misconduct — one of which could lead to executions for scientists who doctor their data.

    Scientists have been sounding alarms for years about the integrity of research in China. One recent survey estimated that 40 percent of biomedical papers by Chinese scholars were tainted by misconduct. Funding bodies there have in the past announced efforts to crack down on fraud, including clawing back moneyfrom scientists who cheat on their grants.

    This month, in the wake of a fake peer review scandal that claimed 107 papers by Chinese scholars, the country’s Ministry of Science and Technology proclaimed a “no tolerance” policy for research misconduct — although it’s not clear what that might look like. According to the Financial Times, the ministry said the mass retractions “seriously harmed the international reputation of our country’s scientific research and the dignity of Chinese scientists at large.”

    But a prior court decision in the country threatened the equivalent of the nuclear option. In April courts approved a new policy calling for stiff prison sentences for researchers who fabricate data in studies that lead to drug approvals. If the misconduct ends up harming people, then the punishment on the table even includes the death penalty. The move, as Nature explained, groups clinical trial data fraud with counterfeiting so that “if the approved drug causes health problems, it can result in a 10-year prison term or the death penalty, in the case of severe or fatal consequences.”

    We’ve long called for sterner treatment of science cheats, including the possibility of jail time — which, by the way, most Americans agree is appropriate. But we can’t support the Chinese solution. Even if we didn’t abhor the death penalty (which we do), the punishment here far outweighs the crime.

    Yet if extremity in the name of virtue can be vice, it serves as reminder that science fraud is, simply put, fraud. And when it involves funding — taxpayer or otherwise — that fraud becomes theft. Think about it the same way as you would running a bogus investment fund or kiting checks. So, jail for major offenders — yes. Execution — no.

    One objection to our position here might be that financial criminals typically don’t kill anyone — directly, at least. If you drain my bank account or steal my 401(k), I’m still alive. A scientist who cheats on a drug study could, at least in theory, jeopardize the health of the people who take that medication, with potentially fatal consequences.

    But the reality is quite different. In the United States, at least, drug approvals hinge on data generated from many scientists or groups of researchers. They never rest on a single person. So unless everyone involved in a study is cheating, a fraudster’s data would stick out if they strayed too much from the aggregate. Ironically, then, to succeed, a would-be fraudster would be most successful if they made their bogus results look like everyone else’s — thus diluting their influence on the outcome of the trial.

    And stopping short of capital punishment, jail time for fraud would itself be a big change. According to our own research, only 39 scientists worldwide between 1975 and 2015 received criminal penalties for misdeeds somehow related to their work. However, some of those cases didn’t involve research directly but instead related to incidental infractions, such as misusing funds, bribery, and even murder facilitated by access to cyanide.

    And in the United States, fewer than 2 percent of the 250-plus cases of misconduct over the same period reported by the Office of Research Integrity resulted in criminal sanctions. Most of the time, fraudsters earn temporary bans on federal research funding, with some dusting themselves off after a timeout and getting back in the game.

    So there’s room to strengthen penalties without taking the draconian step of invoking the death penalty. Some of that may requiring rewriting relevant statutes, to give agencies overseeing research funds more authority. And we acknowledge that not everyone thinks criminal sanctions are a good idea; some have said that such sanctions would only encourage fraudsters to double down on attempts at denial through lawyers, and might even dissuade colleagues from blowing the whistle. That’s certainly possible, but it’s not as though investigators’ close rate is so high at this point anyway.

    https://www.statnews.com/2017/06/23/china-death-penalty-research-fraud/


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    Re: Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

    Post by chris c on Sun Jul 02 2017, 22:45

    Be worth it if they hit the AHA

    https://medium.com/@kevinmgeary/is-the-american-heart-association-a-terrorist-organization-f1c8c98d28ea

    Continuing the advice which has killed and maimed millions until it kills and maims even more millions.

    Which leads to another thought: Americans have killed far more Americans than any other nationality has. So perhaps Trump should ban them from the country.
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    Re: Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

    Post by graham64 on Sun Jul 02 2017, 22:57

    The AHA have vested interests so maybe they can afford to bung a few dollars to avoid the the firing squad  guns

    American Beverage Association
    Atkins Nutritionals
    Campbell Soup Company
    Egg Nutrition Center
    Hass Avocado Board
    Heartland Food Product Group
    KIND
    National Dairy Council
    Nestlé
    Ocean Spray Cranberries, Inc
    Pharmavite LLC
    Solae Company/
    DuPont Nutrition and Health
    Subway
    The Beef Checkoff
    The Coca-Cola Company
    The Peanut Institute
    The Sugar Association
    Tate & Lyle
    Unilever North America
    United Soybean Board
    US Canola Association/CanolaInfo
    Ventura Foods

    https://www.heart.org/HEARTORG/HealthyLiving/HealthyEating/Nutrition/INAP-Current-Members_UCM_472934_SubHomePage.jsp


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    Post by chris c on Sun Jul 02 2017, 23:00

    Yup, much the same with all health "charities", basically all just the marketing arms of Big Food and Big Pharma.

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    Re: Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

    Post by graham64 on Mon Jul 03 2017, 22:09

    Could there be a case for dietitians who prescribe a dangerous high carb diet for diabetics to be brought to account too Cool


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    Post by chris c on Wed Jul 05 2017, 21:44

    Nice idea but they have too much "evidence" even if most of it is bollocks bought and paid for.

    Probably Frank Hu shouldn't be thinking about visiting family though, if he still has any over there.
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    Re: Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

    Post by Eddie on Thu Jul 06 2017, 16:16

    I am 100% against the death penalty for a number of reasons, 10 years hard labour seems about right for the bullshiters and bent science merchants. I will go easy on Sid and Duggie, 200 hours community service.


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    Re: Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

    Post by chris c on Sat Jul 08 2017, 22:41

    Make them eat HCLF vegan diets, that will be punishment enough.
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    Re: Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

    Post by graham64 on Sat Jul 08 2017, 23:09

    chris c wrote:Nice idea but they have too much "evidence" even if most of it is bollocks bought and paid for.

    Probably Frank Hu shouldn't be thinking about visiting family though, if he still has any over there.

    Evidence ! like when they were demonising sat fat and promoting the use of margarine and spreads laced with industrial trans fats Rolling Eyes


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    Re: Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

    Post by chris c on Sat Jul 08 2017, 23:16

    What do you mean "were" ??? OK they have replaced trans fats with interesterified fats, so far looks like little difference but will take another decade to "prove" by when they'll have cooked up another version . . .
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    Re: Chinese courts call for death penalty for researchers who commit fraud

    Post by chris c on Sat Jul 08 2017, 23:21

    I should have added this

    https://twitter.com/bigfatsurprise/status/873014971642376192

    doesn't he look like the guy who comes round to fix the scantily dressed blonde's washing machine in 70s porm movies?

    And as for "peer review"

    http://jasonya.com/wp/the-dawn-of-peer-review/

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