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    The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by Eddie on Wed Dec 14 2016, 21:17

    Much to my surprise, I find myself feeling great empathy, for the newly qualified dietitian. Imagine the typical scenario. After flogging through University to get your degree, and accepted as a member of the British Dietetic Association, you can't wait to get out into the real world and do good. Sounds wonderful and so it should be. However, and it’s very big however. Being very bright and bursting at the seams to learn more, you start to worry, big time. You start to realise much of the so called “evidenced based” science you have been taught, has been funded by junk food companies and big pharma. But it gets worse, much worse!

    You can hardly believe your eyes, when you read the outfit you are paying your hard earned money into, the BDA, is being funded and accepting sponsorship from junk food outfits. Surely this cannot be, it’s all lying propaganda, from those gruesome people running blogs, not to mention those money grabbing, book writing, self styled nutritionists. You calm down, put the kettle on, and tuck into a large packet of Belvita biscuits. You chuckle to yourself, and feel a bit dumb, for even entertaining the idea, anyone other than a BDA dietitian, knows anything about a good healthy diet. But it gets worse, much worse!

    While surfing around the Internet, between patient appointments, you suddenly begin to realise, much of what you learnt at Uni, is complete baloney. More akin to rants from the local Joo Joo man, and about as scientific, as throwing a pile of witch doctors bones on the floor and taking a guess. Then you wake up, in a cold sweat, good grief, what a horrific nightmare, and wonder why you keep dozing off at work. Maybe too many high carb biscuits for lunch. But it gets worse, much worse!

    You start to discover, many of your more senior and more vocal colleagues, are flogging all sorts of junk on Youtube, and you start to ask yourself, why some of the more rubenesque RD’s of a certain vintage, only appear in tightly cropped head shot photographs. You also discover some of your colleagues, are hanging out on social media rubbishing others. Granted, badmouthing that deranged, geriatric reprobate Mitchell and his low carb crew is understandable, possibly acceptable, but A1 rated Science Professors, highly respected Cardiologist’s, GP’s, PhD Nutritionists and Orthopaedic Surgeons. Can it get much worse?

    So, you are in a state of shock, how could nutritional science have become so polluted. What are you going to believe, importantly, who are you going to believe. You put on the kettle, bin the free sample Belvita biscuits and think. Being very bright and an independent thinker, you realise you have a very important decision to make, possibly the most important decision of your life. Do you perpetuate the old dogma, the standard totally failed dietary advice, and play it safe, or go out into the world, armed with the latest science and make a real difference. Decisions, decisions, decisions.


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    Re: The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by graham64 on Thu Dec 15 2016, 21:32



    Oh my more hypocrisy from a dietitian with OCD when it comes to LowCarbers, she's the queen of nonsense the would be dietitians equivalent of Edward Lear, Ally's nutrinonsense post's are testament to that  Laughing

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    Re: The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by Derek on Fri Dec 16 2016, 16:34

    I don't know whether or not any of you guys watch the patients getting advice in the programme about the London doctors practice but the GP's are pig ignorant about diet and what causes diabetes, high triglycerides and visceral fat! D.
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    Post by chris c on Fri Dec 16 2016, 19:06

    Yeah my GP is theoretically a "diabetes specialist" and admittedly she is head and shoulders above some of her colleagues but she has entirely bought the Party Line that diabetes is caused by being fat and being fat is caused by eating fat - and so of course are high trigs.

    I'm trying to reeducate her, at least she doesn't try to stop me doing what has so obviously worked for so long, but she still tells newly diangosed diabetics to eat "lots of brown bread, and fruit, that's really good!"

    Meanwhile

    https://twitter.com/tednaiman/status/809099093532233728

    Thanks to Zoe for the retweet
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    Post by chris c on Sat Dec 17 2016, 20:42

    And look what Chris Cashin just retweeted

    https://twitter.com/Jeukendrup/status/809112540315873280?lang=en

    That'll stop anyone inappropriately reversing their diabetes eh?
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    Re: The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by Eddie on Sat Dec 17 2016, 22:19

    Have you seen this Chris? The loneliness of an experienced dietitian. http://thelowcarbdiabetic.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/the-loneliness-of-experienced-dietitian.html

    More and more the honest and informed RD's are coming over to the dark side.


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    Re: The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by graham64 on Sat Dec 17 2016, 23:38

    @chris c wrote:And look what Chris Cashin just retweeted

    https://twitter.com/Jeukendrup/status/809112540315873280?lang=en

    That'll stop anyone inappropriately reversing their diabetes eh?

    She'll just love that tweet just think of all the spuds that could be utilised  Rolling Eyes

    Stop press twitter has just awarded the Twit of the year to Cashin  cheers


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    Re: The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by chris c on Mon Dec 19 2016, 21:25

    @Eddie wrote:Have you seen this Chris? The loneliness of an experienced dietitian. http://thelowcarbdiabetic.blogspot.co.uk/2016/12/the-loneliness-of-experienced-dietitian.html

    More and more the honest and informed RD's are coming over to the dark side.

    Yes brilliant! The wall is falling down one brick at a time, even despite Noakes, Fettke, Elliott etc. being pilloried and forbidden to improve the health of their patients.
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    Re: The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by graham64 on Mon Dec 19 2016, 22:17

    A big concern is the amount of T2's who don't test and are compliant with the guidelines these are the vulnerable ones who are unlikely to question advice of dietitians, this leads to the inevitable progression of their diabetes and on to a multi meds regime due to the high carb low fat dogma from the BDA/DUK/NHS diet advice. Costs a fortune to the NHS and puts patients at risk whilst lining the pockets of Big Pharma and multinational Big Food companies


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    Post by chris c on Mon Dec 19 2016, 22:20

    Scary isn't it? When I meet diabetics I always try to set them right. Some of them IRL have actually heard of low carbing but not many of them test, other than the six monthly A1c/lipid panel etc.
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    Re: The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by graham64 on Mon Dec 19 2016, 22:34

    @chris c wrote:Scary isn't it? When I meet diabetics I always try to set them right. Some of them IRL have actually heard of low carbing but not many of them test, other than the six monthly A1c/lipid panel etc.

    Yes there's a thread over at DCUK entitled  Have you been told not to test your blood sugars?  these are the lucky few that have found their way onto a forum


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    Post by chris c on Mon Dec 19 2016, 23:12

    Oh good grief that's a long one. I'll read some more when I've had some more coffee. Nice to see some sense among the Usual Suspects.

    I was once accused of being "neurotic" by a clueless diabetic because she had been told that postprandial BG "isn't important", exactly the same thing I was told by one of our more clueless doctors "Everyone has high BG after they eat, it's perfectly normal!" no you dolt it's COMMON, not NORMAL, because so many people are now On The Diabetic Progression. Said diabetic had angina and neuropathy and didn't seem to connect that with her instruction.

    Where I used to live I tried to buy a meter and the Pharmacist refused to sell me one on the grounds that "if I needed one it would be prescribed for me".

    I can't remember even if it was a UK or US forum where someone was told by their nurse

    "If you test you will damage your fingers, then you won't be able to read Braille when you go blind!"

    Down the road I have a friend who has now had an A1c below 6% for I think about 15 years now. She managed to get a prescription for strips from an endo, but every six months to a year her GP (or an accounting clerk) cancels the prescription and she has to ring the endo to have it reinstated. 50 strips/month vs. amputations dialysis and neuropathy quite apart from the cost of the drugs she no longer has to take. Priceless . . .
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    Post by yoly on Tue Dec 20 2016, 10:24

    @chris c wrote:Oh good grief that's a long one. I'll read some more when I've had some more coffee. Nice to see some sense among the Usual Suspects.

    I was once accused of being "neurotic" by a clueless diabetic because she had been told that postprandial BG "isn't important", exactly the same thing I was told by one of our more clueless doctors "Everyone has high BG after they eat, it's perfectly normal!" no you dolt it's COMMON, not NORMAL, because so many people are now On The Diabetic Progression. Said diabetic had angina and neuropathy and didn't seem to connect that with her instruction.

    Where I used to live I tried to buy a meter and the Pharmacist refused to sell me one on the grounds that "if I needed one it would be prescribed for me".

    I can't remember even if it was a UK or US forum where someone was told by their nurse

    "If you test you will damage your fingers, then you won't be able to read Braille when you go blind!"

    Down the road I have a friend who has now had an A1c below 6% for I think about 15 years now. She managed to get a prescription for strips from an endo, but every six months to a year her GP (or an accounting clerk) cancels the prescription and she has to ring the endo to have it reinstated. 50 strips/month vs. amputations dialysis and neuropathy quite apart from the cost of the drugs she no longer has to take. Priceless . . .

    Why test if the “goals” they set will anyway guarantee that you will have complications. And if you by a miracle are able to go below their set goals, you will be told you have too low blood sugar, you need to raise it. A diabetic is not supposed to have normal blood glucose.
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    Post by chris c on Tue Dec 20 2016, 21:29

    Yes I actually know diabetics who have been told that, mainly by nurses "Of course your glucose will be high, that's because you're diabetic!" and even "You should wait until it comes back down again before testing" that one even from a nurse at Joslin.

    "Down the road I have a friend who has now had an A1c below 6% for I think about 15 years now. She managed to get a prescription for strips from an endo, but every six months to a year her GP (or an accounting clerk) cancels the prescription and she has to ring the endo to have it reinstated."

    Forgot to add, like many/most diabetics she was told she "would be on insulin in five years". Fifteen years and not even any longer on metformin. You'd think someone might want to know how she did it.

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    Re: The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by Eddie on Tue Dec 20 2016, 21:41

    @chris c wrote:Yes I actually know diabetics who have been told that, mainly by nurses "Of course your glucose will be high, that's because you're diabetic!" and even "You should wait until it comes back down again before testing" that one even from a nurse at Joslin.

    "Down the road I have a friend who has now had an A1c below 6% for I think about 15 years now. She managed to get a prescription for strips from an endo, but every six months to a year her GP (or an accounting clerk) cancels the prescription and she has to ring the endo to have it reinstated."

    Forgot to add, like many/most diabetics she was told she "would be on insulin in five years". Fifteen years and not even any longer on metformin. You'd think someone might want to know how she did it.


    "You'd think someone might want to know how she did it." My medical team did. I told them low carb and heard the immortal words, so many others have heard "if it works for you etc. etc." next patient please. affraid


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    Post by chris c on Tue Dec 20 2016, 21:46

    Yes that's pretty much all I get from my GP, the "diabetes specialist". She has admitted that the nurses seem to be hearing the same story quite a lot. I'd like to suggest she give her immensely fat colleague who recently became "prediabetic" a meter and a LCHF diet and see what happens when she eats a "diabetic breakfast" one day and a REAL diabetic breakfast the following day.
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    Post by graham64 on Tue Dec 20 2016, 22:34

    Hey there is one BDA diabetes specialist dietitian who bucks the trend <20g a day carbs



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    Re: The loneliness of the newly qualified dietitian.

    Post by chris c on Wed Dec 21 2016, 23:12

    Carry on like that and she'll be an ex-dietician.

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