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    Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

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    Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by graham64 on Fri Feb 19 2016, 22:42

    Following a low-carbohydrate, high-fat diet for just eight weeks can lead to rapid weight gain and health complications, a new mouse study has demonstrated. The study has prompted researchers to issue a warning about putting faith in so-called fad diets with little or no scientific evidence.



    https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2016/02/160218114753.htm?


    Composition of rodent paleo diet from the original research paper


    http://www.nature.com/nutd/journal/v6/n2/full/nutd20162a.html

    One wonders were the cavemen sourced their sucrose and casein from, still I suppose the author of the study Prof Sof Andrikopoulos President of the Australian Diabetic Society must have done his research  Rolling Eyes

    That's not the only scientific study published by Prof Andrikopoulos

    How sugar with a burger could be healthier

    FORGET just the fries with that— weight watchers may be better off sipping a sugary drink with their burger to protect against weight gain.

    http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/how-sugar-with-a-burger-could-be-healthier/news-story/b806e60ee1ded5da9b1c248a498c3a0a


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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by chris c on Fri Feb 19 2016, 23:28

    Obviously the lack of fat has affected his brain. Mice eat carbs. People eat fat. When the opposite happens, things go wrong.
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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by graham64 on Fri Feb 19 2016, 23:40

    @chris c wrote:Obviously the lack of fat has affected his brain. Mice eat carbs. People eat fat. When the opposite happens, things go wrong.

    Exactly that's why I put it in the jokes & humour forum, only the most avid anti or a dietitian would view this as valid research


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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by Andy12345 on Sat Feb 20 2016, 17:40

    does so much damage though Sad
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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by chris c on Sat Feb 20 2016, 19:01



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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by yoly on Sun Feb 21 2016, 12:51

    @chris c wrote:Obviously the lack of fat has affected his brain. Mice eat carbs. People eat fat. When the opposite happens, things go wrong.

    What a novel concept different animals species have different dietary requirements. What a difficult concept for a dietician and medical personnel to understand.
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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by graham64 on Sun Feb 21 2016, 21:32

    Here's a run down of the rodent chow 


    • The mouse strain in question was explicitly chosen because it is genetically predisposed to be fat and diabetic.  That is, that particular mouse is a polygenic model for obesity; it is bred and maintained for the purpose of studying getting fat.



    • This strain of mouse genetically develops diabetes from about 20 weeks of age on its own.  You don't have to cause it with diet and suppression of insulin activity, it's part of the mouse's genetic make-up!



    • Complete elimination of carbohydrate, even in these mice, prevented diabetes.  Oh, you didn't read that in the news article, did you?  Well, here it is:



    • The low-carb "diet" fed to the mice (6% carb) was deliberately tampered with in a fashion that would never happen in human subjects; specifically: "The carbohydrate content of the LCHFD was exclusively derived from simple sugar (sucrose: 106 g kg−1)"  Notably, a normal rodent diet contains only 2% simple sugars!  In other words the study diet had three times the fast-carbohydrate glycemic load of normal rodent chow.



    • The low-carb "diet" had 45% of its fat from unsaturated sources.  This is NOT what anyone I know who eats this way does.  Specifically, on a mass-basis (1,000 parts total) the fats were 400 parts cocoa butter, 100 parts canola oil and 100 parts clarified butter fat (ghee.) While cocoa butter doesn't scare me in small doses, making it the largest part of the intake -- 40% of the total consumed mass of food -- is insanely unbalanced.  Of the total only 1/6th of intake by mass was from animal sources; this again is not what people who eat this way do.  What's far worse is the inclusion of any amount of canola oil; that's specifically on the "do not eat" list when it comes to anyone attempting to do HFLC or Paleo for multiple reasons, not the least of which is its extraordinarily bad Omega 3:6 ratio.  By mass canola oil was a full 10% of the chow!


    See more: https://market-ticker.org/akcs-www?post=231141 


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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by graham64 on Mon Feb 22 2016, 22:07

    No mice involved in this study    


    BACKGROUND/OBJECTIVES:
    The contemporary American diet figures centrally in the pathogenesis of numerous chronic diseases--'diseases of civilization'--such as obesity and diabetes. We investigated in type 2 diabetes whether a diet similar to that consumed by our pre-agricultural hunter-gatherer ancestors ('Paleolithic' type diet) confers health benefits.

    SUBJECTS/METHODS:
    We performed an outpatient, metabolically controlled diet study in type 2 diabetes patients. We compared the findings in 14 participants consuming a Paleo diet comprising lean meat, fruits, vegetables and nuts, and excluding added salt, and non-Paleolithic-type foods comprising cereal grains, dairy or legumes, with 10 participants on a diet based on recommendations by the American Diabetes Association (ADA) containing moderate salt intake, low-fat dairy, whole grains and legumes. There were three ramp-up diets for 7 days, then 14 days of the test diet. Outcomes included the following: mean arterial blood pressure; 24-h urine electrolytes; hemoglobin A1c and fructosamine levels; insulin resistance by euglycemic hyperinsulinemic clamp and lipid levels.

    RESULTS:
    Both groups had improvements in metabolic measures, but the Paleo diet group had greater benefits on glucose control and lipid profiles. Also, on the Paleo diet, the most insulin-resistant subjects had a significant improvement in insulin sensitivity (r = 0.40, P = 0.02), but no such effect was seen in the most insulin-resistant subjects on the ADA diet (r = 0.39, P = 0.3).

    CONCLUSIONS:
    Even short-term consumption of a Paleolithic-type diet improved glucose control and lipid profiles in people with type 2 diabetes compared with a conventional diet containing moderate salt intake, low-fat dairy, whole grains and legumes.

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25828624



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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by chris c on Mon Feb 22 2016, 22:10

    @yoly wrote:
    @chris c wrote:Obviously the lack of fat has affected his brain. Mice eat carbs. People eat fat. When the opposite happens, things go wrong.

    What a novel concept different animals species have different dietary requirements. What a difficult concept for a dietician and medical personnel to understand.
    What's worse, every livestock farmer knows that you feed grains to animals SPECIFICALLY to fatten them. Overfeed grains especially wheat and they become ill in curiously similar ways to people. Cows eat grass, chickens eat a surprising number of bugs and even frogs.

    Tell this to a dietician and they look at you like you grew extra limbs.
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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by chris c on Mon Feb 22 2016, 22:13

    @graham64 wrote:No mice involved in this study    

    <snip>


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25828624
    Free pdf available! 

    Looks like Linda Frasetto has followed up some of Staffan Lindeberg's studies here and come to highly similar conclusions. So no surprise there then.
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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by graham64 on Mon Feb 22 2016, 22:39

    @chris c wrote:
    @graham64 wrote:No mice involved in this study    

    <snip>


    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25828624
    Free pdf available! 

    Looks like Linda Frasetto has followed up some of Staffan Lindeberg's studies here and come to highly similar conclusions. So no surprise there then.

    It would seem that the President of the Australian Diabetic Society is desperately trying to discredit low carb with a rigged rodent study smacks of desperation, he's another that makes the claim about zero carbs

    Professor Andrikopoulos wrote: We are told to eat zero carbs and lots of fat on the Paleo diet

    https://pursuit.unimelb.edu.au/articles/paleo-diets-weight-gain

    Check out the mad Professor's video  Rolling Eyes



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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by chris c on Mon Feb 22 2016, 23:00

    Obviously not just a fuckwit but a fuckwit with a turbocharger

    "The researchers used mice for the study, because their genetic, biological and behavioural characteristics closely resemble those of humans."


    Meanwhile Australia, and New Zealand where low carb diets have to all intents and purposes been made illegal, are pushing the US, UK and Mexico in the obesity/diabetes stakes.


    Now excuse me while I squeak and piss all over my food and go to sleep in the cupboard.
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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by Bill on Tue Feb 23 2016, 12:07

    chris ...Low carb is being oked by CSIRO diet trial, it was a A$1.3 million expensive exercise. I could have told them for nothing
    https://www.google.com.au/#q=csiro+diabetes&tbm=nws
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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by chris c on Tue Feb 23 2016, 23:15

    More schizoid tendencies. I get confused between CSIRO who are relatively sensible and CSPI who are just another PCRM/PETA vegan front.

    Thinking further on species-appropriate diets, mice, some bird species and weevils are adapted to feed on grains/seeds. Little wonder that fat, especially synthetic fats, make them ill.

    Feeding cholesterol to rabbits makes them ill because they have not evolved a way to metabolise it. They eat grass and their own droppings.

    At first I thought not only the most militant low fat vegan would suggest that as a human diet, but then I thought there are breakfast cereals that aren't too different.

    "Start your day with low-fat!!! Kelloggs POOP! Predigested especially for YOU!"
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    Re: Paleo diet is dangerous, increases weight gain, diabetes expert warns

    Post by graham64 on Tue Feb 23 2016, 23:20

    @Bill wrote:chris ...Low carb is being oked by CSIRO diet trial, it was a A$1.3 million expensive exercise. I could have told them for nothing
    https://www.google.com.au/#q=csiro+diabetes&tbm=nws

    Agreed Bill we could have saved them the money but as you are well aware our n=1 anecdotes count for nothing, seeing CSIRO is a respected organisation hopefully the Australian diabetes associations will take it on board, wishful thinking probably


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