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    Diabetes

    Post by Derek on Wed Feb 10 2016, 11:43

    Hi all,
    I see some of you are on meds. What criteria is used when low carbing to have say, Metformin?
    An endo said I should be on it but my Hba1c is 44.
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    Post by Andy12345 on Wed Feb 10 2016, 11:54

    i don't think they consider low carbing a serious method of control, my doctors don't consider it treatment at all, so if diabetic they give you metformin a bit like they try to give people with any kind of cholesterol levels above zero statins, i don't think it takes a very hard push for them to give you met, if i understand what you mean by criteria, it seems if you once walked past a bakery or sweetshop, you get met, i reckon if you walk down the road and drop dead, they can say you were being treated

    on the up side, i love metformin for many reasons and would rather take them than not, i hope I'm right about them as my youngest has been on them since she was 2 and eldest is now on them
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    Post by Eddie on Wed Feb 10 2016, 12:55

    Met has health advantages beyond a modest reduction in BG. One of which is free prescriptions if under 60 and do not qualify for free test strips etc. To get free prescriptions and medical supplies a T2 has to be on diabetes medication to qualify. Others can qualify such as the unemployed etc.


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    Type two diabetic-low carb diet (50 carbs per day) and two 500mg Metformin pills per day. Apart from diagnosis HbA1c almost 12-all HbA1c results none diabetic. For over eight years my diabetes medication has not changed. My weight has remained stable, I have suffered no ill effects from my diet whatsoever. Every blood test has proved, I took the right road to my diabetic salvation. For almost seven years, I have asked medical professionals and naysayers, how do I maintain non diabetic BG levels on two Metformin other than low carb ? The silence has been deafening !
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    Re: Diabetes

    Post by Derek on Wed Feb 10 2016, 13:05

    Thanks guys,
    I get free prescriptions anyway and my meds cost the health service quite a lot but they should have diagnosed Conn's 30 years ago! Smile
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    Re: Diabetes

    Post by Jan1 on Wed Feb 10 2016, 13:58

    Maybe butting in here Embarassed

    But as Metformin has been mentioned I recalled this article by Kath and Graham, an interesting read

    Metformin beyond it's blood sugar lowering properties


    The flower is of course,the French lilac or goat's rue,the original source of that well known anti-diabetic drug Metformin. Believed to be the most widely prescribed diabetes drug in the world,it was introduced into Britain in 1958 but not licensed for use in T2 diabetes in the US until 1994.
    It works by blocking the production of glucose in the liver and also by helping the body to utilise insulin properly.
    It appears to be most effective in helping with weight loss and thus reducing insulin resistance. This effect is not maintained at the same rate after the initial period of weight loss and treatment, but many patients, including those not overweight at diagnosis ,continue to take it for the cardiovascular protection it is said to  afford. Although this cardiovascular protection, appears to be generally accepted; there does not appear to be conclusive proof. See below *

    The article is here
    http://thelowcarbdiabetic.blogspot.co.uk/2014/01/metformin-beyond-its-blood-sugar.html

    All the best Jan
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    Re: Diabetes

    Post by Andy12345 on Wed Feb 10 2016, 14:03

    i looked into metformin when it was prescribed to my little one for obvious reasons, normal chemists wouldn't give it to me, i had to go all the way to Great Ormand Street to get the scrippy and have it dispensed at their chemist, pain in the butt to say the least, i was very pleasantly surprised by all the benefits it is said to have, interestingly we was told it refines insulin, dosent seem quite right, so do the doctors actually know what it does or do they just dish it out lol
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    Post by Derek on Wed Feb 10 2016, 18:59

    Hi Jan and Andy,
    Thanks for information, very useful.

    I have had an high GGT for some time, it is going down but still out of range at 81. I'll bear the fact in mind that Metformin can reduce NAFLD, or some studies indicate it can?
    It seems it is a possibility.
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    Post by Andy12345 on Wed Feb 10 2016, 19:39

    I'm just chatting mate, you should never actually listen to anything I say, it's backed up with nothing lol, this is my social time
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    Re: Diabetes

    Post by graham64 on Wed Feb 10 2016, 21:31

    Kept off metformin for a few years, it was was DSN who persuaded me to start them even though my A1c was stable, she cited the claimed heart health benefits which is backed up by some studies. 

    Funnily enough an article on metformin popped up in my inbox today  Smile

    https://www.diabetesdaily.com/blog/2014/01/how-does-metformin-work/


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    Proving the LowCarb sceptics wrong for over nine years,

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    Re: Diabetes

    Post by chris c on Thu Feb 11 2016, 19:24

    I was originally told I could have no medication "until" my A1c was 8.

    Recently I was told that they have started prescribing metformin to "prediabetics" but since I have now gone eleven years without it, I would have no chance. The GP was surprised that I have not progressed to full blown diabetes in all that time and admitted that "by now we would have expected you to be on at least two medications" but has little interest in how I achieved this impossible feat.

    Generally it is good stuff, except for the need to wear brown trousers at first it has few side effects and many beneficial effects not just on insulin resistance. Plus it is cheap.

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    Re: Diabetes

    Post by ajsherlock on Thu Feb 18 2016, 13:21

    I was put on the normal metformin but my body couldn't tolerate it so was put on modified release. Wasn't AS bad but my stomach never stopped churning and felt like I needed the loo all the time so knocked them on the head yesterday. Going back on 2nd March and see what the Doc offers instead. She did say that I might not be able to tolerate the slow release ones either. When I mentioned low carb to her, she said to me "thats a very good diet for diabetes". So some doctors are getting there.

    To be honest, I have been off low carb for a while as couldnt get my head back round it but going to start it again tomorrow. Essential now that I am not taking any medication.
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    Re: Diabetes

    Post by chris c on Thu Feb 18 2016, 19:21

    No shit, Sherlock

    sorry, couldn't resist!

    Yes many more people can tolerate the SR version but still some can't, no matter how slowly you ramp up the dose.

    GREAT to hear your doctor is onside, there are a few but there need to be many to make a difference.

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    Post by ajsherlock on Thu Feb 18 2016, 23:30

    Thanks Chris. Feel much better already and no offence taken lol
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    Post by chris c on Fri Feb 19 2016, 23:11

    Free clue: about the best metformin, or any other drug for that matter, can achieve, is an A1c lowering of around 2%

    Low carb routinely achieves 5 - 8% and even over 10%

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    Re: Diabetes

    Post by ajsherlock on Sat Feb 20 2016, 08:40

    Thanks Chris, I will check it out

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