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    THE DIABETES MIRICLE

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    THE DIABETES MIRICLE

    Post by RANDBURG on Thu Sep 11 2014, 07:01

    Hi,
    I want to tell everyone about a Book by Dianne Kress, on a Low Carb diet with a difference, in that it allows you to co back to Carbs in a controlled way.
    There are 2 versions One for Normal People and one for Diabetics.
    I've been following the " The Diabetes Miracle" for most of this year, and have lost over 20 Kg and dropped my HBa1c to 5.6 at last test.
    Most mornings my rising blood sugar is below 5.5.(I'm type 2)
    I really think this is the best Low Carb Diet around and well worth trying as I believe it really works for me.
    Herewith a link, and details in a review of the book.

    https://dianekress.wordpress.com/2014/09/08/brand-new-study-eating-low-carb-beats-low-calorielow-fat-so-back-to-atkins-right-wrong/

    If anyone else is on it or tried it I would love to hear your ideas and thoughts.
    Happy to chat about it
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    Post by Andy12345 on Thu Sep 11 2014, 11:29

    Thanks Randburg, amazing weight loss! brilliant work Smile
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    Post by AliB on Thu Sep 11 2014, 11:48

    http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Diabetes-Miracle-Prevent-Permanently-ebook/dp/B006LOR3Y0

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Diabetes-Miracle-Prevent-Permanently/dp/0738216011
    75 reviews on the US site.

    Looks good. I've been thinking of doing a Juicing 'reboot' for a while to see if I can reset things, but might look into this instead.


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    Post by RANDBURG on Thu Sep 11 2014, 13:58

    @AliB wrote:http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Diabetes-Miracle-Prevent-Permanently-ebook/dp/B006LOR3Y0

    http://www.amazon.com/The-Diabetes-Miracle-Prevent-Permanently/dp/0738216011
    75 reviews on the US site.

    Looks good.  I've been thinking of doing a Juicing 'reboot' for a while to see if I can reset things, but might look into this instead.


    I can almost guarantee if you can stick to it you will get amazing results.
    The No carb step one, takes a bit of effort, but 5-7 days and you are OK.
    Hope you try, and let me know Very Happy
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    Post by AliB on Thu Sep 11 2014, 14:28

    So what do you eat on the no carb phase?

    I was very low carb, high fat for three years and it actually made my insulin resistance worse. The lady running the diet based hers around Dr. jan Kwasniewski's Optimal Diet, but she wasn't a diabetes specialist.

    When I finally got to read his info about diabetes he said he found better results for them on a higher vegetable and medium fat regime, which is kind of the way I eat now. But for the best results, insulin should be stopped if one is on it, and that regime adopted right from the start.

    I had already been following her diet for about 2 years by then so it was too late to jump into it from the 'normal' diet.

    I have found it very frustrating that i cant lose weight unless i starve myself, but eating lots of veg instead of other food does seem to help.

    At the moment i am getting something odd going on with my tongue. Gets worse during the day. I tried an experiment today. Didn't have any insulin at all until about 2.30. My BG was over 15, but no weird tongue. Ive taken 10 units of insulin which is half my usual dose, and am waiting to see if the weird tongue thing comes back.

    It feels very raspy against my lower teeth, sort of dry even though i have enough saliva. And it feels acid-ish against my teeth although my mouth ph level is not overly acid. I dont know if its linked to 'burning tongue' syndrome. That tends to get worse during the day apparently.

    Other people get such great results with low and lower carbing. Many get great results on the low carb healing diet i was on. Others do very well on dumping wheat and sugar. Me? Every darn thing i try is thwarted in some way.

    I think definitely need some kind of reboot.....
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    Post by RANDBURG on Fri Sep 12 2014, 17:22

    The diet is in 3 steps
    Briefly:-

    1 A cleaning period were you eat very little carbs for a period of 8 weeks.
    During this period you give your liver and Pancreas a break from Complex carbs, and get rid of Glycogen stores ( Hi G.I. foods, Pasta, Rice Cereal Fruit are not allowed). She gives a list of foods that are considered Neutral, (To Many to list), but you can also eat a 5 Gram portion of Carbs every meal.
    (Any amount food with higher than 5 Gms is out for 8 weeks)
    So Veg, Proteins Fat ate free to eat what you like, at least every 5 hours.

    WARNING you wont feel great for the first 5 or so days, as it takes time to get used to the new diet, then you are not hungry, and don't really want carbs, from my experience

    2 Second step 8 weeks, or longer to get Blood Levels and weight to good values. Carbs are increased during this stage

    3 More a lifestyle than diet, were carbs are again increased to a level were your Blood sugar remains good, weight is constant etc.

    Its very difficult to explain, as there are a lot of areas like :- no more than 5 hours between meals, Carb allowances at each stage etc., you will need to get the book to get the full idea.

    I can almost Guarantee that if you want to loose weight, drop Blood Sugars, and generally feel good its worth a try, I cant talk for type 1 but I think it should be the same effect as type 2 (Like me)

    I have no interest in the book except a passion to tell others about it, as I have spent a lot of effort, Time, Energy and Money, on "Fad" diets that don't work, and think I may help by letting people know of something that does work.

    Hope that gives an idea of how it works
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    Post by Eddie on Sat Sep 13 2014, 11:06

    Once I realised low carb worked BG numbers 12 to 14 on average following the recommended diet, and BG numbers 4 and 5 fasting on a low carb diet, I also reduced calories to 1300 for three months and lost 50 lbs in weight. I went back to 2000 plus calories and stabilised weight.

    I am hearing a lot about re-setting carb intolerance just lately, but that did not work for me. Over 50 carbs per day and my numbers start going too high. For me a carb is a carb whether low GI portion control whatever you want to call it. For me and so many I know or know of, it's low carb higher fat or the control goes.

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    Post by AliB on Sat Sep 13 2014, 20:34

    After i saw your post i bought the book.

    It seems that you do need to be very low carb for several weeks, basically in ketosis, then reintriduce carbs very gently and specifically. As she says, and i have found to be true, many who have done Atkins for instance find as soon as they reintroduce the carbs, they cant stop and end up often putting all the weight back on, and some.

    She states that there has to be no cheating otherwise you have to add several days on to the intro. Every cheat knocks it back.

    Its apparently about eating in such a way that you not only encourage the liver to release its glycogen stores, but also so as not to 'engage' the pancreas.

    Intro is based on lean meats, poultry and fish, eggs, cheese, cream, butter, seeds, nuts and seed/nut butters including peanut, surprisingly, olives and oil, avocados, virtually all green veg and low carb veg except cartots, beets, sweet & white potatoes, pumpkin, winter squash. She does allow one portion measuring less than 5 grams of carb of any fruit or other genuinely low-carb product no less than 4-5 hours apart, but that seems optional.

    I have only read the intro diet info section at the moment, to familiarise myself, but i will go back and start from the beginning later.

    I have one or two criticisms at present. I dont like her inclusion of soy products and vegetable oils, in view of the issues that are now apparent with them. Also, because she is based in the US, she mentions consuming certain low carb products that are unavailable in the UK and elsewhere.

    I also find her tight control over it a bit off-putting. She gives nothing away for free. I had to pay extra on top of the book to get her new 'update', that in my mind ought to have been free for those who have bought her book. I can see no evidence of any free recipes. There is not even a free forum - you have to pay to access it.

    I can understand her wanting to protect her 'baby', but whilst i am sure it is done at least partly out of desire to help people, she is very obviously also in it for the money.....
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    Post by Paul1976 on Sat Sep 13 2014, 20:51

    Wouldn't it be better to just drop the carbs to a level that you enter ketosis and just stay there rather than trying to re-introduce carbs? A ketogenic diet doesn't mean zero carb. Smile


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    Post by Eddie on Sat Sep 13 2014, 21:02

    Paul wrote:Wouldn't it be better to just drop the carbs to a level that you enter ketosis and just stay there rather than trying to re-introduce carbs? A ketogenic diet doesn't mean zero carb. Smile

    When you find something that works stick with it. When someone has good control and found the right diet, which always means for a diabetic the correct carb level, why try to introduce more carbs ? I honestly don't get it, what can be achieved by upping the carbs ? can someone explain it to me.

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    Post by zand on Sat Sep 13 2014, 21:16

    The only advantage I can see is that maybe you could eat more fruit? eg bananas, apricots for their potassium? That's the only thing about possibly adding carbs that appeals to me, but that's years off for me anyway. So I'm happy as I am and mostly agree with you guys, there's no point in adding extra carbs
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    Post by Avocado Sevenfold on Sat Sep 13 2014, 21:39

    I would personally be wary of increasing my carbs as I find them so addictive. Fortunately I find the LCHF nosh delicious so am not in any rush to change anything.

    Interesting thread though. Best of luck and be sure to let us know how you get on with the plan if you try it.
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    Post by AliB on Sat Sep 13 2014, 22:10

    I don't think the idea is to go overboard with the carbs once the intro is over anyway, it just seems to mean that there would be some gentle carbs like fruit (I haven't got to that bit yet) and the occasional treat that can be had without fear of spiking. My issue is now that even looking at fruit sends my BG into orbit.

    It is also predominantly about resetting things so the body can burn fat. I found that even on very low carb my body just wouldn't let go of the fat.

    For me this isn't just about BG control, it's also about weight loss and parasite elimination.
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    Post by zand on Sun Sep 14 2014, 07:32

    @AliB wrote:I don't think the idea is to go overboard with the carbs once the intro is over anyway, it just seems to mean that there would be some gentle carbs like fruit (I haven't got to that bit yet) and the occasional treat that can be had without fear of spiking.  My issue is now that even looking at fruit sends my BG into orbit.

    It is also predominantly about resetting things so the body can burn fat.  I found that even on very low carb my body just wouldn't let go of the fat.

    For me this isn't just about BG control, it's also about weight loss and parasite elimination.

    I am also interested in weight loss as well as BG control, so I may have a look at this properly at a later date. Right now I don't have the energy or brain power to learn something new. I followed LCHF for a couple of years and my BG's were fine, but I didn't lose a lot of weight so then I introduced calorie counting alongside LCHF. I'm interested in what you say about fruit though. It's the only thing I really miss when following LCHF
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    Post by Eddie on Sun Sep 14 2014, 09:51

    @zand wrote:
    @AliB wrote:I don't think the idea is to go overboard with the carbs once the intro is over anyway, it just seems to mean that there would be some gentle carbs like fruit (I haven't got to that bit yet) and the occasional treat that can be had without fear of spiking.  My issue is now that even looking at fruit sends my BG into orbit.

    It is also predominantly about resetting things so the body can burn fat.  I found that even on very low carb my body just wouldn't let go of the fat.

    For me this isn't just about BG control, it's also about weight loss and parasite elimination.

    I am also interested in weight loss as well as BG control, so I may have a look at this properly at a later date.  Right now I don't have the energy or brain power to learn something new.  I followed LCHF for a couple of years and my BG's were fine, but I didn't lose a lot of weight so then I introduced calorie counting alongside LCHF.  I'm interested in what you say about fruit though.  It's the only thing I really miss when following LCHF


    Some low carb. fruits. Strawberries 6 grams. Blackberries 5.1 grams. Raspberries 4.6 grams. per 100 grams.

    On around 50 carbs per day I can still eat a small amount of these fruits with double cream and keep BG numbers down. Rhubarb and blueberries are OK too. I reckon bananas and dried fruits are a no no for most low carbers.

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    Post by zand on Sun Sep 14 2014, 09:58

    Yes Eddie and those fruits are all delicious! Raspberries are my favourite fruit so that's good. Finally after years of trying I have rhubarb growing in my garden as well. It's just that sometimes I miss bananas and pears etc. Dried fruit has gone from my menu for always though.
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    Post by RANDBURG on Sun Sep 14 2014, 10:40

    Hi
    I will try and answer some of the items raised by some of you, as I have read the entire book, and have followed it for 9 months.
    The idea of step one is to reprogram your body to carbs over a 8 week period. You have virtually NO carbs or at most about 20 max per day OPTIONAL.
    No one can live like this forever, you need some ? carbs eventually, so step 2 introduces them in a controlled fashion.
    In both step 1 and 2 you will loose weight, Body Shape will decrease, and blood sugars will come down. This step is a further 8 weeks.
    At the end of step 2,you can, IF you wish increase carbs further, and dependent on height weight etc. she gives a guide line of quantity. THIS IS OPTIONAL, if you want to carry on loosing weight, you can stay on step 2, but its BORING.
    On step 3 and you can have virtually what you want as long as you do not go over the guideline Carbs, otherwise you will start to put on weight again, and your BG will rise.( Ive tried !!)
    I have no problem with her charging for updates, and to join her website, this is how she makes a living and good luck to her.
    I think it works, and try it if you wish, but don't slate it if you are not interested in giving it a try
    Its only once you have read the book, that you can comment, and if it does not grab you try another way Rolling Eyes
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    Post by AliB on Sun Sep 14 2014, 16:43

    I agree with Randburg, basically, don't knock it till you've tried it.

    Its easy to say just lower your carbs or go virtually zero carb, but it still doesn't address the inability to process carbs. Whilst i would never want to go back to the 'eat everything and damn the consequences' Western diet, it would be nice to know that my body could handle some natural carb without going into orbit.

    It may be too late, my pancreas may be too damaged, but i have to do something. I can't carry on like this. I am tired, lethargic, weak, unmotivated, tired, very overweight, depressed, and, oh, did I say tired?

    I suppose I'm also hoping that the diet might also deal with the worms. Every time I change something in my diet, they go quiet for a day or so, and I get an all too brief burst of energy, but then they figure out how to deal with the change and come back with a vengeance. I have been dragging myself - and them - around for over 40 years and I've had enough. Nothing else has worked.

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