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    FastOber

    Post by nomistheman on Fri Oct 02 2015, 16:50

    Greetings fellow earthlings.

    @Baruney @merrylizard1314 and myself are embarking on another Fasting session this October starting Monday the 7th October 2015.

    We welcome anyone who wishes to join us and would hope that you'd post updates in this thread along or more like intermingled with us.

    OK then, here goes ...
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by merrylizard1314 on Fri Oct 02 2015, 21:41

    Monday, 5th October, on my calendar, must be a downunder thing, eh?
    I am happy to go along with the majority decision on parameters, but think that a 14day alternating schedule would be more successful nutritionally, as well as adhering to the switching theory of Jason Fung. So;
    5-6th water fast
    7-8th Low carb(1200cals)
    9th. Fat fast
    10-11th low carb
    12-13th FatFast
    14,15,16th Low carb
    17-18th. Water fast
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by nomistheman on Sun Oct 04 2015, 09:48

    Yeup - it's the 5th up ere in t' northern hemisphere too!

    I'm lucky if I know what day it is, let alone the date - if truth be told.

    Life? Don't talk to me about life ...

    Anyway, I digress! Wink

    I'm not sure about two days of water fasting - I don't recall ever managing to do 48 hours although, I'm sure I got to around the 40 hour mark a couple of times. Plus, I haven't performed a water fast in so long I feel I'd better ease into it.

    So, for me at least, I'm thinking:

    fat fast = 1400 Kcalories, 5% Carbohydrate, 5% Protein, 90% Fat.
    low carb - 1400 Kcalories, 50g Carbohydrates Max, 60g Protein Max, the rest as fat.
    moderate carb - 1400 Kcalories, 75g Carbohydrates Max, 60g Protein Max, the rest as fat.
    carb re-feed - 1700 Kcalories, 100g Carbohydrates Max, 60g Protein Max, the rest as fat.
    water fast - I have apple cider vinegar and I'm interested in how you're planning to use this in your water fast @merrylizard1314 - would you elaborate please?

    5th & 6th ...... fat fast.
    7th ............... low carb
    8th ............... water fast
    9th ............... moderate carb
    10th & 11th ... fat fast.
    12th ............. low carb
    13th ............. water fast
    14th ............. moderate carb
    15th & 16th ... fat fast.
    17th ............. low carb.
    18th ............. water fast.
    19th ............. carb re-feed.

    Will give my best endeavours to report here daily with the usual array of stats.

    Any observations or suggestions to tweak things?

    Most interested, like I typed above, in the use of Apple Cider Vinegar in the water fast.

    Is there anything you are specifically doin today in preparation for tomorrow's start?

    Have a great Sunday and be well. Smile
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Baruney on Sun Oct 04 2015, 14:36

    Hola

    Going to go with merrylizard on this one. Have no idea if that's a good idea or not considering our man down under a s kicking off with a 48 hour water fast. We shall see - only 1 way to find out really.

    Yepbwill check out the vinegar. Think you just have a couple of teaspoons before bed?

    Full supps.

    Still only walking 4 miles yesterday. Just about to take Monty down the beach - same sort of distance. Will try and up exercise more if leg better but def interested in a big session at end of second water fast.

    Fat fast going for 1000 Cal's 90/5/5.
    Low carb 1200 90/5/5
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by RANDBURG on Sun Oct 04 2015, 16:57

    @normistheman@Baruney @merrylizard1314.
    Good luck on your fast.
    Is a water fast no water for the entire day ?
    Cant be good for you ?
    Regards
    Brian
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by nomistheman on Sun Oct 04 2015, 17:51

    @RANDBURG wrote:@normistheman@Baruney @merrylizard1314.
    Good luck on your fast.
    Is a water fast no water for the entire day ?
    Cant be good for you ?
    Regards
    Brian

    Thanks for the Nod!

    LUCK = Labour Under Correct Knowledge.

    A water fast is where you fast but, only consume water - the opposite of what the title would suggest. Wink

    So, no need to be concerned for us but, thanks for the thought! thumb-up


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    Re: FastOber

    Post by nomistheman on Sun Oct 04 2015, 17:58

    @Baruney wrote:Hola

    Going to go with merrylizard on this one. Have no idea if that's a good idea or not considering our man down under a s kicking off with a 48 hour water fast. We shall see - only 1 way to find out really.

    It will be interesting to see how you get on past the 24 hour mark. If I recall correctly I struggled around the 36 hour mark when performing my extended water fast.

    @Baruney wrote:Yepbwill check out the vinegar. Think you just have a couple of teaspoons before bed?

    From what I have read it's probably not a good idea to consume this on an empty stomach if you're not going to consume something afterward.

    Plus, it's effects are built up over time. I saw some Apple Cider Vinegar cocktails on 'tinternet some time ago - must check them out again at some point.

    @Baruney wrote:Still only walking 4 miles yesterday. Just about to take Monty down the beach - same sort of distance. Will try and up exercise more if leg better but def interested in a big session at end of second water fast.

    Glad you're being sensible - definitely ease back into the running. Resist the temptation to dive right back in!

    @Baruney wrote:Fat fast going for 1000 Cal's 90/5/5.
    Low carb 1200 90/5/5

    Seems reasonable. thumb-up
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Baruney on Sun Oct 04 2015, 22:51

    @randburg. Cheers as Nom says it's the opposite like a fat fast is to increase ratios of fat.

    You are probably right though. I've done a 24 hour water fast on the past and, surprisingly, enjoyed it. I am 100% not looking forward to the next 2 days especially as I have to be in Cockney town tomorrow night.

    Not afraid to bale if needs must but always accept a challenge.

    We'll keep you updated of what does or doesn't happen!
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by merrylizard1314 on Mon Oct 05 2015, 07:53

    Bonjour, earthlings
    5.30pm on first water fast day. Not had any problems so far, pretty busy all day though. Tomorrow will be a bit different.
    Started off at BGL 4.5 mmmol/L ketones 1.3
    Just tested again just now, BGL 5.0mmol/L. I have noticed this rise in BGLs before, when water fasting, don't understand it, but usually becomes normal in the next day or so.

    The apple cider vinegar is just one or two teaspoons in water at bedtime. Be sure to brush teeth after! I usually have 2 teaspoons, and I am not certain it matters what kind of vinegar - I have used red wine vinegar before.
    Or the stuff that black olives are packed in. It really only provides stuff that the gut can use for its own purposes. I help, but I don't interfere!
    @nomistheman, your programme sounds good, On my Lowcarb days, I will have 1200 calories 75/15/10 And on the FatFast days, I will be going for 1000 cals 90/5/5
    Catch you later. @Baruney, I am certain that you are up for any challenge.


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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Baruney on Mon Oct 05 2015, 09:15

    Hi @Merrylizard1314

    I need to be up for a challenge. September has proved to been a truly uninspired month. I have let the carbs and wine creep up and as a result my bloods have been pretty appalling with a shocker today of fasting. 10.9 which is Def my worst number this year and probably for a lot longer than that.

    Blood ketones 0.2. That's 50p wasted on a strip and we'll see what the water fast does for that but wouldn't expect any significant results till the 14 days are up.

    Weight likewise truly awful. 16 stone 4 llb so that's 4 llb a week over the last 3 weeks. Shocking really how easy that piled up through bad choices.

    600 ml water and a black coffee for brekkie. Correctangular me if I'm wrong Merrylizard1314 but read that you can have any liquid that's not calorific so black tea coffee Ok. Or is coffee off the menu?
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by merrylizard1314 on Mon Oct 05 2015, 09:41

    Coffee or tea, black is OK, and Jason Fung includes bone broth, as permitted liquids. I usually just stick to water, as it is so simple.
    That Cafe, I mentioned before, that had BP coffee on the menu, also had bone broth, but I forgot to notice how much it cost, probably you could buy an entire herd of bony cattle for the same price. No wonder I am almost vegetarian.
    Swimming tomorrow and lots of gardening work to be done, if It is not too hot. Spring weather is already reaching 30degrees.
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by merrylizard1314 on Mon Oct 05 2015, 10:26

    Was interrupted , just when I was about to commiserate with @Baruney, difficulties with weight and BGLs. You will get there, Ed, especially when your shins are better - but don't rush, or it will take longer!
    The same thing used to happen to me, and my BGLs used to fluctuate between 12 and 8, often for no reason that I could see. It is so dispiriting, especially weight fluctuation - and I was 126kg -but eventually I realised that if there was a problem, it was all mine, and no one else could fix it, and that was when I put myself on the Newcastle protocol first, then low carb after that, helped a lot by all the knowledgeable people on that other forum who all seem to be banned now.
    I say to myself " The price of success is eternal vigilance" and then just get on with it. I love these challenges, because they force the metabolism to go into adaptive mode, and that can only be A Good Thing.
    Goodness! Was that a rant?
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Baruney on Mon Oct 05 2015, 10:53

    I'd hardly call that a rant @merrylizard1314!

    My weight over the last year has in the region of 15/4 to 15/7. I think I hit about 15 stone 4 or 5 times in that time only to bounce straight back off it. As you know in the last fat fast my aim was to break that voodoo and keep on going down. Whereas the reality of the situation was that I have gone the other way rather badly. I've sort of been watching from the sidelines not totally disinterested but not exactly 'on it'.

    I would like to claim not knowing why weight and bloods fluctuate - apart from the odd spout here and there - but it does come down to taking my eye off the ball. Feel like I'm yo-yoing a bit which isn't what I want but time now to stop fannying around and get back on track with plan to year end and then second stage to end of may and the london to brighton run.

    Second 600ml water down. Coffee break coming up.

    @nomistheman - thanks for asking on Twitter. Little Ted is still in hospital with Mrs Baruney. He's having difficulty getting his oxygen levels back up so is on mask and nebuliser. Sounds and looks worse than it is. All came on last friday after school and then spent Saturday coughing so much that he made himself ill. Took him to A+E and he should be out tomorrow now. Hoping it's just for Obs now and he had a decent sleep last night. Will be up there lunchtime - hope it is tomorrow he's out as he'll be 5 on Thursday!
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by merrylizard1314 on Mon Oct 05 2015, 11:17

    I think Fastober will put you right back on track @Baruney and back into he plan working towards May 2016
    Sorry to hear about your little lad's difficulties. Hope he is much better now and looking forward to a great time on Thursday.
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Eddie on Mon Oct 05 2015, 20:14

    @Baruney wrote:I'd hardly call that a rant @merrylizard1314!

    My weight over the last year has in the region of 15/4 to 15/7. I think I hit about 15 stone 4 or 5 times in that time only to bounce straight back off it. As you know in the last fat fast my aim was to break that voodoo and keep on going down. Whereas the reality of the situation was that I have gone the other way rather badly. I've sort of been watching from the sidelines not totally disinterested but not exactly 'on it'.

    I would like to claim not knowing why weight and bloods fluctuate - apart from the odd spout here and there - but it does come down to taking my eye off the ball. Feel like I'm yo-yoing a bit which isn't what I want but time now to stop fannying around and get back on track with plan to year end and then second stage to end of may and the london to brighton run.

    Second 600ml water down. Coffee break coming up.

    @nomistheman - thanks for asking on Twitter. Little Ted is still in hospital with Mrs Baruney. He's having difficulty getting his oxygen levels back up so is on mask and nebuliser. Sounds and looks worse than it is. All came on last friday after school and then spent Saturday coughing so much that he made himself ill. Took him to A+E and he should be out tomorrow now. Hoping it's just for Obs now and he had a decent sleep last night. Will be up there lunchtime - hope it is tomorrow he's out as he'll be 5 on Thursday!

    "Little Ted is still in hospital with Mrs Baruney"

    Sorry to hear that. Don't forget stress can play havoc with BG numbers. Hope little Ted is home soon and in top notch shape.


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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Baruney on Mon Oct 05 2015, 22:33

    Thanks @Eddie.

    @Merrylizard1314 well tried my first ac cocktail tonight. There be a reason why they aren't served in the finest restaurants and bars known to man then.

    Just had a bovril. Stuffed! Couldn't possibly have any more.

    Just out of interest when do we break the 48 hour water fast. On 48 hours ie last meal Sunday 9pm so next meal tomorrow 9am or do we have to wait til Tuesday morning?
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Baruney on Mon Oct 05 2015, 22:41

    Talking about meals check out the size of that salad on the kiddies ward! No danger of having too many carbs there the....well unless you count the rest of the meal.

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    Post by chris c on Mon Oct 05 2015, 23:44

    Sympathies! Kids get ill so fast, the good news is they often recover just as fast.

    Hope it's nothing too serious. A friend's kid has a strange and as yet unidentified problem where he gets what appears to be an allergic response mainly after exerting himself, and he's a keen footballer and plays a lot of other sports too. He was tentatively diagnosed with something no-one has ever heard of, despite the pediatrician claiming it is "actually quite common".
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Baruney on Tue Oct 06 2015, 09:14

    Morning troops

    Thanks @chris_c. With Ted he's always running around and if he gets a cold he still doesn't stop. He had a cold 2 weeks ago and a day off school with asthma but picked up another cold at school last Friday and it just got worse and worse sat. Docs start their rounds at 10.30 so hopefully home today.

    Fasting bloods 8.3. Still truly atrocious but significantly lower than Monday. Blood ketones again 0.1. If I can get them below 7 tomorrow then it looks like the wf has done it's job of kickstarting the fastober off nicely. From past experience ketones take a lot longer to rise. Truth be told there's probably no point testing til next week at least but have reasonably priced supply so will do.

    Head is a bit heavy as have a cold - actual cold not the old keto flu malarkey. Mind you that's probably running in the background.

    Today is going to be an interesting day!
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by merrylizard1314 on Tue Oct 06 2015, 09:57

    @Baruney., hope your little lad gets out today .Mrs B must be exhausted! Those hospital peas are quite good for counting games.
    Hospital food is quite dangerous, I think, in that there is nothing restorative about it.
    You are having a day, aren't you? With a cold on top of everything else.
    The way I see it, the water fast started on Monday morning and finishes on Wednesday morning, when the 3 Lowcarb days begin.
    And those ac cocktails sound truly horrid. A teaspoon or two in half a glass of water, is enough for me!

    This am, BGL was 5.3 and ketones 1.3, so not much change there.
    Had to go for an ECG today and next week- the HbA1c, which should be interesting, I think.
    I am really looking forward to breakfast tomorrow!
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Baruney on Tue Oct 06 2015, 10:27

    Hola @merrylizard1314.

    She is - we should be hearing any minute now if he can come home today. Hope so - hospitals aren't the nicest place to be - obviously!

    Good luck with the ECG - hope you don't have to stay in for any food and we should have a guess my HbA1C competition - it's going to be low - your numbers are always excellent.

    Ok with the wednesday morning malarkey - what are you going to have fro brekkie? We're up to 1200 cals for the next 3 days right then a FF. Might treat myself to a smoked salmon omlette.
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by merrylizard1314 on Tue Oct 06 2015, 13:01

    ECG all done. My last HbA1c was 34 or 35, I think, but it may not be quite so low this time.
    Tomorrow I am out to lunch, but I usually have some kind of fish and some kind of salad. Also I will probably have some red wine. I am swimming first thing, so might just a bulletproof cocoa which should keep me satisfied until lunch. Thursday will be eggs, smoked salmon, cheese and spinach and sorrel soup.for me. For you it will be birthday cake, no doubt. On Friday I am committed to a morning tea, so I will have to be careful there!
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by Baruney on Wed Oct 07 2015, 10:37

    Morning troops

    Little Ted still a bit wheezy - Mrs Baruney sounding a little frosty this morning. My job today is to bring the right jeans to hospital having brought the wrong ones on the last 2 occasions.

    Fasting bloods 7.0 and blood ketones 0.2. 2 day water fast done and dusted just under half a stone lost which I'm guessing is mainly water due to prior weekends carb fest. Now to dive into the rest of the programme and burn off some lard.

    Head a bit Woolley could be could could be beginning of fuel switch. No rise in ketones so prob former. If that's the case OK with that as would be suffering man flu any road.

    Not a great nights sleep. Had planned an omelette for brekkie but had just a coffee. Caught up on some emails at work. Bpc just now and off to hospital. Bpc perfect on the go lc 'snack'. Predict coffeehouses in London will be selling them at arseclenching prices before the end of the year.
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by merrylizard1314 on Wed Oct 07 2015, 15:12

    Hope you got the jeans right this time!
    Feeling really good today. FBGL 4.8 ketones 1.9.
    Before lunch BGL 4.3 restaurant lunch was a salad of roasted vegetables and baby leaf spinach, with EVOO dressing. And 2glasses of red wine. Instead of a dessert, we shared a cheese plate, but I didn't eat any of the crispbread, dried figs, or muscatels. Black coffee to finish. And afterwards had a good long walk, for 2 hours.
    Post prandial BGL 5.1
    Looking forward to tomorrow and some eggs.
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    Re: FastOber

    Post by merrylizard1314 on Thu Oct 08 2015, 11:37

    Some statistics;
    Yesterday, 1st low carb day, 1057 cals.
    Fat 74%
    Carbs 15%
    Protein 11%
    Today, 1132cals
    Fat 78%
    Carbs10%
    Protein12%
    Tomorrow I will try to hit 1200 cals
    BGL 4.2

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