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    Post by Douglas V on Tue Aug 11 2015, 07:15

    Hi Everyone, I was at my regular 3 month check-up for type2 diabetes yesterday. All was well, but what was new was that I was given a test for the progress of the neurophaty in my feet and to my surprise learned that nearly normal feeling has returned. I am putting this down to my ketogenic diet. This is a benefit that I now only vaguely remember reading before.
    I'm doing twice a week fasting as well and yesterday went 36 hours of total fasting without discomfort. I put this down to my being in ketosis as well.
    Something that I learned is that when I have slipped out of ketosis it's much  easier to get it started again by a day of fasting. It seems a shame that the health professionals don't seem to have a clue as to what a ketogenic diet is.
    Regards, Douglas
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    Post by Indy51 on Tue Aug 11 2015, 07:35

    Yes, I've found my feet improved gradually too. It was a great feeling when I noticed that it no longer felt like I had a stone under my arch while walking. Though the discomfort as the nerves started waking up again was pretty unpleasant at the time.
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    Post by Sally on Tue Aug 11 2015, 07:43

    The self-healing powers of the body are amazing, when you stop irritating and inflaming it. My husband has had big improvements in retinopathy, for the same LC/ketogenic reasons. Such a contrast to the "official" view of down hill all the way.
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    Post by zand on Tue Aug 11 2015, 07:54

    That's great news Douglas. I often wondered if normal feeling could return after neuropathy.

    I had a large patch on my right leg, above the knee which had no feeling for several months. This wasn't down to diabetic neuropathy, it was because nerves were cut through accidentally when I had a catheter ablation for a heart problem. The surgeon told me I would never have any feeling there again. It didn't worry me too much, it was a small price to pay for a heart that beats regularly again.

    Now I sometimes have tingling and then a burning feeling in that part of my leg. After each episode of this I have noticed that I have regained a bit more of the feeling. So I thought it was logical that diabetic neuropathy could be reversed. Now you have confirmed that it can and does happen.

    As you say it's a great shame that HCPs don't have a clue about ketogenic diets, often once people hear that they have neuropathy they are led to believe it's the beginning of the end. This needn't be the case, as you have proved.

    Thanks for sharing this and not only giving hope to others who are suffering from neuropathy themselves but also telling us how you are reversing it. Smile

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    Post by Squire Fulwood on Tue Aug 11 2015, 09:11

    @Indy51 wrote:Yes, I've found my feet improved gradually too. It was a great feeling when I noticed that it no longer felt like I had a stone under my arch while walking. Though the discomfort as the nerves started waking up again was pretty unpleasant at the time.

    They say that misery loves company so I am glad that someone described that "stone under my arch" which is what I had for a while. Mine is easing also and I keep testing to see if my foot is comfortable and flat to the floor. Something is getting better. I used to think of it as a birds claw feeling.
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    Post by Eddie on Tue Aug 11 2015, 11:32

    @Sally wrote:The self-healing powers of the body are amazing, when you stop irritating and inflaming it.  My husband has had big improvements in retinopathy, for the same LC/ketogenic reasons.  Such a contrast to the "official" view of down hill all the way.  
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    Post by chris c on Tue Aug 11 2015, 17:05

    Oh yes I forgot that one. I'd reached the stage of "feet going to sleep" and tingling/numb fingers after meals, shortly before I fell asleep.

    The podiatrist noted some lack of sensitivity mainly to the tickling stick. Not only did the actual symptoms improve but tests now show no neuropathy at all - just a small dead spot which is mechanical (hard skin/callus).

    After my gallstone op (they did it the old fashioned way, opening me up from navel to rib cage and delving in with both hands) I spent a considerable time when I couldn't bear to be touched near the scar as the sensation jumped around like the worst kind of tickling. It took a few years but the nerves seem to have rerouted themselves.

    My feet would start tingling again if I hit over 8 postprandial. I don't think that happens any more but I don't intend to test that.

    Likewise I've known not a few people who have reversed diabetic retinopathy. They say it can't be done, but they mean it can't be done eating a high carb diet.
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    Post by Jan1 on Wed Aug 12 2015, 00:06

    @Douglas V wrote:Hi Everyone, I was at my regular 3 month check-up for type2 diabetes yesterday. All was well, but what was new was that I was given a test for the progress of the neurophaty in my feet and to my surprise learned that nearly normal feeling has returned. I am putting this down to my ketogenic diet. This is a benefit that I now only vaguely remember reading before.
    I'm doing twice a week fasting as well and yesterday went 36 hours of total fasting without discomfort. I put this down to my being in ketosis as well.
    Something that I learned is that when I have slipped out of ketosis it's much  easier to get it started again by a day of fasting. It seems a shame that the health professionals don't seem to have a clue as to what a ketogenic diet is.
    Regards, Douglas

    Hello Douglas good to read your post here  sunny

    I know you wrote a few months ago about your 'cancer of the tongue'. I sincerely hope that after your operations all is well now?

    All the best Jan

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    tongue cancer

    Post by Douglas V on Wed Aug 12 2015, 08:00

    No sign of the oral cancer returning. It's now 8 months after the operation. I'm eating a lot of curcumin spice which is said to prevent cancer,especially oral cancer. Curcumin is one of the few supplements that has lots of positive research behind it. Normal feeling of the tongue is slowly returning as well.
    Am very healthy otherwise. Thanks,
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    Post by Indy51 on Wed Aug 12 2015, 08:02

    Great news @Douglas V thumb-up
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    Post by Jan1 on Wed Aug 12 2015, 11:00

    @Douglas V wrote:  No sign of the oral cancer returning. It's now 8 months after the operation. I'm eating a lot of curcumin spice which is said to prevent cancer,especially oral cancer. Curcumin is one of the few supplements that has lots of positive research behind it. Normal feeling of the tongue is slowly returning as well.
    Am very healthy otherwise. Thanks,

    That is good news indeed.  thumb-up   sunny

    Just done a google search and it is interesting to read about the positive research re Curcumin and Cancer.

    All the best Jan
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    Post by chris c on Wed Aug 12 2015, 14:18

    A friend sadly now long dead, but who exceeded his doctor's best guess by a few years, reckoned that turmeric was best if you added black pepper - the piperine has a more than additive effect with the curcumin. I'll remember the word I wanted for this later.

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    Post by Pasha on Wed Aug 12 2015, 14:43

    @chris c wrote:A friend sadly now long dead, but who exceeded his doctor's best guess by a few years, reckoned that turmeric was best if you added black pepper - the piperine has a more than additive effect with the curcumin. I'll remember the word I wanted for this later.

    The word is synergistic ,ie the effect of the two exceeds their sum total.

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    curcumin & pepper

    Post by Douglas V on Wed Aug 12 2015, 20:30

    Yes, I read how the body doesn't want to absorb curcumin and how pepper will help.
    What I do, without knowing if it really works is, First, mix a rounded tea spoon of curcumin together with a little olive oil, because curcumin dissolves in oil. 2nd, I put a little more then half a teaspoon of pepper corns into a coffee grinder and afterwards add the ground pepper to a small amount of red wine. The reasoning is that piperine, the good stuff in pepper, easily dissolves in alcohol. I stir both up and let stand a half hour or so, then mix them together, add some tomato paste for flavor, some water and drink it down. One would think that the pepper would burn all the way down, and irritate the stomach, but it doesn't at all.
    According to articles on the Internet curcumin is good for many things, including alzheimer's disease. At least the part about preventing cancer seems likely to be true. I also eat a resveratrol tablet everyday and it has the same problem as curcumin of not being absorbed, but there's speculation that piperine also allows the reveratrol to absorbed. Peperine is said to also be good to block fat storage in the body.
    Maybe I wander some as this forum should be about diabetes and low carb, and not supplements, but maybe it will be of use for some.
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    Re: Interesting observation

    Post by chris c on Thu Aug 13 2015, 14:28

    @Pasha wrote:
    The word is synergistic ,ie the effect of the two exceeds their sum total.

    I KNEW THAT!

    about ten minutes after I gave up trying to remember it, it popped unbidden into my mind . . .

    . . . along with the time I thought my neuropathy had returned because I had a feeling there was a stone in my shoe.

    Actually there WAS a stone in my shoe.

    I put loads of turmeric into my chicken or prawn curry, then sprinkle liberally with black pepper when I serve it.

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